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Originally Posted by CaliBlk4U
Here's the long answer... I've actually studied much of this, in college and in my professional life.
I actually agree with some of what you've said, though I'm not onboard with your perspective on this particular thread. Discussions about the differences inherent within the respective "races" is not something I'd discourage... Assuming that intellectual conversation was not broached specifically based on (as stated by the OP) the general "superiority" of one race (even my own) over another. That is not a discussion of genetic variation, based on familial heredity or environmental influences -- that's just race-baiting.
On another point... Just because you can point out general (mostly esthetic) distinctions between people based on their "race", that does not exclude the idea that there really is only one race of human on this planet (personally I believe that the distinction of "race" is better applied to distinguish us from other hominids, like Neanderthals). After all, the differences you mentioned can be found in individuals within the same immediate family. Remember that more than 10% of relationships in the US are interracial. So distinctions based on "pure race labels" are less and less relevant these days.
One last thing genetic note -- and this is a fact by the way. If you compare the genetic differences between a white [native] man from Norway, with that of a man from deepest, darkest Africa, you would be surprised at just how insignificant those differences actually are. In fact, studies have shown that two chimps, from the same family group, will actually show LESS genetic variation. That is why the concept of "race" is questioned, from a genetic perspective. According to the very technology that lead us to be able to amplify DNA (as with the PCR process), and to track mitochondrial DNA down through the ages, we are all basically one big family.
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What a sensible answer thankyou, I was only half playing the devil's advocate discussing it in this thread given how much neurotic fantasizing goes on in these forums. That said though if you don't believe in race why would you come to a forum that fetishes it? Flaunting all the uni degrees and professional success don't counteract the fact you're in a forum that celebrates the white woman-black man culture that's built on unhealthy inclinations that even if only in unconscious sexual expression still reeks of supremacy, culturally it plays out black men as walking dildos for white woman, or white men as disposable worker drones for a woman's bank balance. Alot of swagtastic black douchebags or sexually repressed white men, play up to cause it gives them a sense of potency and virlity even though ultimately it's dehumanizing. I've seen very little celebration in this forum of what I would consider myself to be proud of in black culture, it's not celebrating that, or white for that matter, but more a whole lot of confused and heartless lust, hence my post in the 'verified' section where effectively people sprinkle some weak assed 'authenticity' sparkly dust over a foundation of shit.
I've asked people this before in the 'interracial' scene and I come across alot of cognitive dissonance, people hanging around in specifically racially fetishised places, be it forums or virtual worlds and then denying any difference in race, almost parrot talking out alot of liberal culture that denies race whilst simultaneously fetishising it, especially black folk who via the rap industry and various mandingo stereotypes fills a sort of patholigically violent representation of masculinity in an otherwise zealously feminist culture (I'm not anti-feminist just anti-bad feminists who go on and on about the 'patriarchy' and the ills of men.)
I won't nitpick the ''facts' you speak of though if you have studied it so indepth you would be aware that there is a varied divergence of opinion. That said you have valid arguments, i'm assuming you meant that chimps genetic variation within a family has MORE difference than humans of different racial backgrounds, though that really doesn't counteract the fact that chimps are distinctly chimps, for all the variation in the world no chimp gets born looking like a gorilla, orangutan or bonobo. They say chimps and humans share 98% of the same DNA, so for all the similarity between the racial DNA clearly a small amount can make a fair difference. I agree on the evolutionary tree all of the races branch out from homo sapiens, the difference is not as much as monkeys and gorillas, but it would follow a loosely defined branching out that would be distinct (I know the 8.4% of interracial relationships in america waters it down but in the rest of the world it's a bit more distinct.) I imagine it is extremely hard to distinctly define races given the huge diversity but it gets much easier when you take the truth that every creature evolves intimately with their unique environment. I think we agree in the sense we should talk of ancestry rather than race as it is easier to pin down biology to location, but this still points to trends of similarity and difference of peoples that evolved in the same location of ecosystem.
Some findings for example:
''Dr. Williamson’s group reported that a version of a gene called DAB1 had become universal in Chinese but not in other populations. DAB1 is involved in organizing the layers of cells in the cerebral cortex, the site of higher cognitive functions.''
''David Reich, a population geneticist at the Harvard Medical School, said that the term “race” was scientifically inexact and that he preferred “ancestry.” Genetic tests of ancestry are now so precise, he said, that they can identify not just Europeans but can distinguish between northern and southern Europeans. Ancestry tests are used in trying to identify genes for disease risk by comparing patients with healthy people. People of different races are excluded in such studies. Their genetic differences would obscure the genetic difference between patients and unaffected people. ''
''There are medicines prescribed every day in America targeted at specific racial groups, such as hypertension drug BiDil.
When BiDil was given the nod in 2005, the FDA’s Robert Temple stated plainly: “The information presented to the FDA clearly showed that blacks suffering from heart failure will now have an additional safe and effective option for treating their condition.”
Now there are deep ethical questions to all this but already that's a good example of there not being this great consensus you speak of, Harvard and the FDA are hardly racists on the fringes of society, whether they are ethical is up for debate but clearly they are reacting to some scientific evidence. The chinese free of the political correctness of the west are doing lots of research into it. I could go on, I just cherry picked some ones that stuck out.
I personally believe the huge taboo around this subject is more a cultural one than a scientific one, as I said previously people are not as averse to differences in asians, whites, for some obvious historical reasons it is most edgy when the spectrum is narrowed to whites and blacks (I really wish they would change the name to the continental origin for one rather than have this oppositional white/ black dynamic but rather european and african). Also these days while there is still white racism, the prevalence of black racism is given a cultural free pass as though it's not actually racism when by normal standards it is, comedians, rappers, even 'experts' invited onto debate shows to talk about race. I find it infuriating because a significant section of 'our' black culture seems to hog the talk on race and have the loudest voice, it puts us into an overly victimised marxist ideology that doesn't get to all the truth, one being our own responsibility for certain fucked up areas of our own culture, but perhaps more importantly it's a little arrogant to trump black suffering over the suffering of other races or ancestory.
It's precisely this cultural double standard that runs rampant in this very forum, and is probably a large part of the reason that drives the neurotic fetish, my opinion of which is increasingly that if you're aware of that it can be a useful, albeit limited
tool for catharsis to grow up out of the schizophrenic cultural trends around race, or you can just wire the racism even deeper, of which many of the most sexually charged fetish posts seem to.
I'm gonna tone down my aggressive language because it's wasted here but much in this forum doesn't seem the least bit healthy, or have intelligence with regards to sexuality, I suppose I have more patience for those just taking the piss or coming out with some creative outlandish sexual fetish because it's almost tongue in cheek, but when people pretend to get serious and say half assed waffle it just sounds dumber than a bucket of donkey dicks.
07-04-2014, 03:27 PM
Haha ya fcking kidding me right?
Prob just another account that belongs to the OP. w
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