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I think you are right gotlieb2. I did manage to talk her into it about 5 years ago with a young just married lad after she had been to a xmas party at her place of work and he shared a taxi home with her. It was quite a shock that he managed to put her in the family way by having her just once. We had a daughter and after that a son who I fathered. We are all very happy together. Since then I have tried to talk her into going with someone else. One was a white, old school friend and she said a loud NO. I am not doing that again. Then she nearly surcomed to a black lad who was about 18years old who we met at a BBQ. I nearly persueded her to but then he got rearly pushy and that put me and her off going anywhere we might see him. In fact I had a job to keep him away from us. That was a couple of years ago. Now we have met Martin. He is the son of a woman who works with my mother in law. Just broken up with his girlfriend. He is quiet, a bit shy, Which is why I was surprised he kissed Carol goodnight. The only thing that has been said was when we got home I said, Martin was a bit forward, she said dont be daft hes a nice boy. He is upset about his girlfriend. So I am going to say nothing.