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[SquirtKing]

Did you already try that?

[Jacko1]

HELL NO!!! You guys keep getting busted and I am just a breathe away from it.

I will though, just not yet. She needs to be in a serious deep sleep.

You have to admit, hypnosis opens up many possibilities.

[SquirtKing]

@Jacko1

Did you sit near her or did you lay near her? And how long after she started sleeping did you start?

[Jacko1]

I wake up at all hours of the night. Typically, its in the middle of the night that I get the best reaction, 2-4 am. She is well into her sleep and has a steady breathing pattern. I have done it at 5 am as well but the breathing during whisper time is not as deep.

I am usually laying next to her and will begin with breathing to match her breathing. I do that for about 3-5 minutes followed by calling her by name and saying nice things for another minute. I then break into " you hear me but will stay asleep" "You want to speak but will remain asleep" consistent with the hypnosis techniques. I am literally asking her to speak or move a finger or foot etc. I cannot see a damn thing, as its dark and I am blind. This seems to be working. The other night she was trying to force words before she went into a full blown breathing freight train. I will continue this pattern and its my hope that the pattern will lead to a far deeper hypnotic trance. I am patient and have nothing but time to let this work. The fact that her breathing pattern changes and she attempted to force words, tells me something is at work at a subconscious level.

Let me know how you guys work your magic.

[fingerlaker]

Last night I got push back - literally. She put her hand on my chest and pushed slightly and said "Stop that". It's a phrase that see uses during forplay. The tone was the same, but I've never had the push before.
The more I do this the more that I think the hyptnosis route is the way to go.

I just have to put together the right script. I want to do it right the first time.

LW is working. She hornier etc. But I'm not getting any open expression of her wants.
I did some digging nad the reactions we get - rolling over, "waking" , maybe the heavy breathing could be an abreaction:

abreaction [ˌæbrɪˈækʃən]
n
(Psychoanalysis) the release and expression of emotional tension associated with repressed ideas by bringing those ideas into consciousness.

It's that emotional tension that has to be addressed.
Again, maybe setting her mind at ease about the fact that it would strenghen the relationship etc.

The Hyno thing must be right though. I don't want to plant some kind of Phycosis that I'll have to live with.
Kinda like swearing at a parrott

Pasted from various sources:


[B]Stages of Hypnotherapy[/B

]Preparation
In the first session, the client and the hypnotherapist determine an achievable goal and establish a rapport. The first session has a thorough preparation and each session thereafter includes an evaluation of the problem and the desired outcome.
During the preparation, the hypnotherapist assesses the client's receptivity, suggestibility, and the possibility of achieving the desired outcome. The hypnotherapist must screen the client for factors that might make the client ineligible for hypnotherapy. Here are some questions the hypnotherapist may ask the client:
· Why did you seek a hypnotherapist at this time?
· What do you hope to accomplish?
· Is your condition medical or psychological? Has a physician or psychotherapist been consulted?
· What other treatments have you had for the condition?
At this time, the hypnotherapist assesses the client's capacity to receive and act on posthypnotic suggestions. The hypnotherapist must understand what words, imagery, and symbols affect the client. It is important for the client to understand his or her own suggestibility, so that he or she can participate effectively with the hypnotherapist.
During the preparation, the hypnotherapist corrects any misconceptions or unrealistic expectations the client may have about hypnosis and clearly communicates what hypnosis can and cannot do. Once the hypnotherapist is satisfied that the client is ready for hypnosis, he or she reviews the stages of hypnosis and begins the induction.

Induction
During induction, the hypnotherapist guides the client to narrowly focus his or her attention to the point that sensory impressions are blocked out. The client can then reach the state of complete relaxation necessary for hypnosis to occur. The hypnotherapist's office usually is quiet and dimly lit to create a relaxing atmosphere. The hypnotherapist chooses a particular method or combination of methods for induction based on the assessment of the client. An induction script may use different types of verbal and visual cues, including the following:
· Use of authority—The hypnotherapist gives instructions in simple declarative sentences (e.g., "As I speak, you will relax.").
· Guided visualization or imagery—The hypnotherapist suggests images or describes a scene for the patient (e.g., "Let your mind drift to a calm and peaceful place. See the wind blowing through the trees, the flowers in the meadow.").
· Quiet music or rhythm—The hypnotherapist speaks in a steady, evenly paced rhythm without varying voice tone. Sometimes the therapist plays music in the background.
· Repetition of words or sounds—The therapist repeats key words or sounds (e.g., "Breathe in deeply . . . ", "As you breathe in . . . ").
· Emotional cues or probes—A hypnotherapy session may be used to gather more information about painful experiences or to help patients cope with difficult emotions. The therapist integrates the inquiries or instructions into the induction script (e.g., "You are in control and will choose to experience or ignore any suggestions during the session.").
· Analogies, metaphors, and associative statements—The hypnotherapist uses comparisons to familiar experiences or images to help clients achieve physical relaxation (e.g., "Your legs are sinking into the couch, heavy as logs." "Feel your body, heavy and relaxed, being supported by the tree behind you, the ground beneath you.").

Clients do not always readily accept suggestions. The hypnotherapist is alert to any sign of negative reactions or abreactions that may occur during the induction. The hypnotherapist guides the client through these feelings or, if necessary, rewords the suggestion during a later session. An abreaction can present itself as a yawn, a frown, a scratch, or movement in the hand or foot.
On occasion, clients might feel somewhat disoriented, or in rare instances, nauseous. Stopping the induction can usually relieve these effects, or they may disappear as the hypnotic state deepens. After the induction, some people report feeling different physical sensations (e.g. tingly, heavy, floating); others feel nothing unusual at all.

Deepening
Next, the hypnotherapist uses deepening techniques to enhance the hypnotic stage. These can include simply continuing the chosen induction, changing to another type, or talking directly to the client.
There are three levels of hypnotic states:
· Hypnoidal—a light stage of hypnosis, characterized by fluttering eye movements
· Cataleptic—a deeper state, characterized by side-to-side eye movements
· Somnambulistic—the deepest state, characterized by the eyes rolling up
The somnambulistic level has three levels. The first two involve a kind of amnesia, that is, the client receives posthypnotic suggestions on a subconscious level and may not remember hearing them. The third level of somnambulism is so deep that a person in this state can undergo major surgery without anesthesia.
For sessions focused on self-improvement or changing unwanted habits, the hypnoidal and cataleptic states are adequate; however, better results can be achieved if the client enters into the cataleptic state.
Before moving on to the utilization stage, the hypnotherapist must be sure that the client is in a hypnotic state and ready to receive posthypnotic suggestions. There are several observable indicators of the hypnotic state:
· Lack of body movement, stillness
· Pallid, waxen complexion
· Rapid eye movements, eyelid fluttering
· Redness around the eyes
· Relaxed posture, slumping
· Slowed breathing
· Swallowing, gulping
· Water or tears in the eyes
Utilization
A posthypnotic suggestion is made during the utilization stage. The posthypnotic suggestion is a verbalized statement of the desired outcome. If taken in and acted upon, the suggestion affects behavior after the client has emerged from hypnosis and returned to regular daily activities. The posthypnotic suggestion is the key to achieving the client's goal.

As long as they are clear and specific in describing the goal, posthypnotic suggestions can be visual or auditory. Only positive suggestions based on the client's suggestibility effectively change behavior. For example, the hypnotherapist might suggest that when a client finds him- or herself in a usually stressful situation, they will not desire a cigarette.

An abreaction, such as a frown or shift in posture, may occur when the suggestion is made. Repeating the suggestion, rewording it, or choosing a different type of suggestion may help the client become more receptive.
By repeating the suggestion to the client in each session, a new conditioned response may be achieved. The repeated chosen key words in the suggestion become associated with the desired outcome. If the client successfully receives the suggestion, he or she begins to formulate internal processes (emotions, visualizations, or dialogues), which help achieve the desired outcome.

After the posthypnotic suggestion has been introduced and developed, the hypnotherapist leads the client into the termination stage.
Termination
Termination is the slow, gradual return to consciousness. Just prior to ending the hypnotic state, the hypnotherapist often repeats that the client is in control of his or her body and mind, and has been in control throughout the session. Several termination techniques may be used; the best known is counting backwards followed by the authoritative command "Wake up." The client opens their eyes and adjusts to the relaxed but aware state that follows hypnosis.

[bbd4mme]

So how is the Termination stage supposed to work when we're doing LW on our wives when they're asleep? We don't want them to wake up, but then again we don't want them to stay in a unended deep sleep?

Also, can you use a trigger to initiate deep sleep? (i.e. "When I say the word ----, you will slip deeper into sleep and will not wake up.")

[fingerlaker]

For the first question: We don't want to confuse LW with Hypnosis.

The idea might be to induce Hypnosis from LW.
In Preparation there is a trust built up. Hopefully you already have it hence the LW.

I think you could get her to the restful sleep stage and say "This is restful sleep, and we'll come back here." Explain how beneficial restful sleep is etc.

I have a sleep mp3 coming. She'll listen to that because I've talked to her best friend about her need to sleep better and maybe she should try this sleep mp3. She told her to give it a try.
I'll listen to the sleep mp3 and see where it leaves her.
After she's listened to it a few times and she's had positive results, I'll do a deepening from there - walking down steps to a beach. Deepening as you go.
Nobody around for miles. Hear the waves (My background sounds playing) A beautiful cabana with shear sides that you can see out. A Massage table. Sinking in - relaxed etc. A Black masseuse. - feel his big black hands as he rubs in the lotion that melts away all that muscle tension etc. Keep the imagery up. Escalate from there with permission. Not too graphic. Kinda soft-core. Imagery and texture with suggestions and permissions.

ie: "And as you're listening to the waves lap the beach and Malcolm is rubbing his big black hands on your thighs, a sensuous warmth overcomes you. So sensuous. So nice, So Sexy.
You cant help but notice his big black cock hanging down from his shorts. And as he's rubbing your thighs and the wave of sexiness runs through your body you really want to hold Malcolm's big black cock. Would you like to hold it?" Hopefully get a nod. " mmmm So nice............etc etc"

Then take her back up the steps and in the bed where the sleep mp3 left her, repeating whatever the sleep mp3 says. " And when you awake in the morning etc etc"


On the second question:
Geeze. Makes sense. It would seem that she would have to have been in that state a few times in order to reference it like that. The whole process of deepening only takes like 2 minutes anyway. I wouldn't see the need to rush.

Any input on these ideas would be great. I'm just a neophyte and like I said before, I'd like to do it the first time.

[hephaestus]

Originally Posted by bbd4mme

So how is the Termination stage supposed to work when we're doing LW on our wives when they're asleep?

Its NOT it has NOTHING to do with the LW method.

Wow guys I step away from the thread for a few weeks and suddenly people are starting taking some giant wrong turns.

There's nothing wrong with anyone exploring hypnosis and as with fingerlaker I actively suggested him looking deeper into it for understanding the background context and for drawing extra knowledge into using conversational hypnosis during the day BUT you can't take hypnosis methods in the very varied methods of hypnosis and apply them all whole sale to LW. That's going to start making you head in directions that aren't just unnecessary but are going to cripple your LW sessions.

The point of LW is that it entirely bypasses the need for putting someone in trance - the heightened state of sleep is there and the persons unconscious will flow off the back of hearing your voice and suggestions.

In following LW I can suggest the idea of KIS 'keep it simple'.

In looking into conversational hypnosis for day-time suggestion I'd suggest Milton Erickson, NLP -BUT these aren't necessary for doing LW

Please don't bog yourselves down with applying hypnosis methods to LW YOU DONT NEED IT - THE STATE IS ALREADY THERE AND SHE IS ALREADY OPEN TO SUGGESTION IN THIS SLEEP STATE.

Also no one stays in a perpetual sleep either in hypnosis or from going to sleep at night unless someones hit them over the head with something hard and heavy!
Termination as described has nothing to do with LW method as the person will either continue their sleep or wake because they heard something.

I have described numerously the idea of beginning the LW with firstly "I love you over and over and followed with you I going deeper and deeper down all the way down deep and comfortable and relaxed just listening to the sound of my voice taking you deeper and deeper all the way down deep and comfortable and relaxed deeper and deeper............. just listening to the sound of my voice and obeying what I say" (and as people have seen and are using and changing looking at Jackos' posts' are noticing very significant changes in breathing during these initialisations and continuations of suggestions/commands)

Look guys build off these basics repeating and expanding the requests and gradually changing the agenda as you go. Start with simple requests like getting her to use black dildo to getting her to looking and responding to black guys around food stores etc to making her feeling aroused when she sees a big black guy making her transfixed by his package - seeking out his package and making her clit becoming erect her nipples erect making her feeling very wet and very aroused as she begins thinking about his big black manhood in side her - fucking her, using her, cumming deep in her making her cum again and again on the end of his big black cock.

This LW suggestion isn't as intense as hypnosis in general BUT it is that slow building of desires in LW that's going to get you from A to B in a way that would just be WAY TOO risky trying to attempt using awakened state to hypnotic state methods during the day.

Please please stop bringing hypnosis whole sale into LW its going to get very confusing for a lot of people really quickly and hey that's a desired effect of conversational hypnosis in awakened conscious states BUT NOT FOR LW. I am directly referring to taking hypnosis copy and pastes and leaving things like 'termination' left in which has no earthly value in LW and WILL ONLY CONFUSE as noted above. LW and the thread is too valuable to start creating confusion so please pull back from dumping copy and pastes of hypnosis information.

Sticking to what you use as scripts is really good because others can help you and or refine their own ideas around them. BUT don't be so tied by a script that you think you have to only say certain words because your going to trip yourself up in delivery and not be paying attention enough to her changes in breathing and possible wakefulness.
Using consistantly wrong words like she will become 'hot' would be a issue if you keep saying it but if you trip yourself up on one occasion or more by accidentally saying it will do no long term harm in LW because the intensity of hypnosis is not there LW is very gentle in comparison and so mistakes are easily recovered and changed without long term consequences. IN HYPNOSIS this is a issue of making sure your delivery is perfect first time in LW you really CAN afford to fuck up and get back on the next passage next night or next week.

I'll keep coming back to the thread as and when I can BUT I got a heap of life on my plate right now.

Keep at it guys now your efforts have incremental rewards for you and her enjoy.

[bbd4mme]

Thanks for clarifying Hep,

My head was starting to spin, trying to figure out how I was going to squeeze in all of the specifics and still get sleep myself! Felt like I was back in school trying to cram for a test. I like the KIS theory, seems to work in almost every situation.

Glad to see this thread hasn't died, as I can see some serious benefits of everything you've outlined. Just need to come up with a primary script and test it for several LW sessions to see if I'm doing it right. I started getting worried about screwing up her head if I did all of the serious hypnosis stuff wrong. Thanks again...