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[hephaestus]

Originally Posted by SquirtKing

Thanks. If I understand correct (my language is Dutch and this is a bit technical English) I'm not doing wrong? As I understand correct, stroking is a way to get more in touch with the subconscious mind?

NOT for a second am I suggesting anything other than YOU are doing RIGHT here Squirtking - if its working for you YOU ARE DOING IT RIGHT.

Experience on this has shown me that to keep it broad across the page for the many readers of the world wide web that I need to interject a little caveat here and there for the general user - I know it sounded personal and it wasn't intended quite so personal - this is where I have to grasp from the personal to the impersonal so that I don't get people jumping down my throat saying "YOU DIDN'T SAY...." - What I'm giving here is what is the established and on this we depart from tried and tested on the many as this is something I have only tried myself in different forms from doing this from awake state to stimulated unconsciousness and from sleep to stimulated unconscious - both of which have worked for me - and thats the point - this is where as I said with original reference to 'Mesmer Stroking' the warning that it is untested though worked for me!

Remember these methods are all rule of thumb and what works for some will not work for all because as we can see from SILVERFOX the issue of light sleep which I now need to come back onto with the closing reply to you.

[hephaestus]

Originally Posted by silverfx42

This is my first time reading the stuff in this thread. I thoroughly enjoyed it and wish i would
have known about this a long time ago. I have tried to suggest my wife taking another man several times, but she just clams up and won't talk about it. Says she couldn't do it. We did swap with a couple a long time ago not long after we were married and she says she didn't enjoy it and we lost them as friends.

I never suggested black men because she won't even consider another "man" she did dance with some blak men when we were in new orleans a few years ago and it was rather erotic slow dancing. The black man had his hand on her ass for a while and they were grinding pretty good and i really enjoyed it. I was too stupid at the time to carry things further and again didn't pursue it any more. She enjoys sex even though we are older but i recently had surgery and cannot get an erection any more. She sleeps very lightly and wakes up very easily.

I sure would love to see her take a lover even if he isn't black, but i think her being with a black man would be so erotic and intense.

Thanks for listening....i guess i'll just have to keep on fantasizing.

I so feel for your predicament and this isn't in anyway unique I know BUT your so close to a method that can conceivably turn the tables and yet so far!

Fuck yeah the only thing that can make the difference to being able to use this set of methods is your wife starting to take sleeping tablets to overcome light sleeping - may be in conjunction with you snoring!
Does she show concern herself by what is light sleeping - does she find it a issue - does she find herself fully rested. Can it be suggested to her that she doesn't look or act right because of noticing she doesn't seem to be getting enough or deep enough sleep.

Its interesting you know that when one points out being tired or someone else looking tired that invariably a person begins feeling a certain level of tiredness in response - think about how often a person yawns in response to someone else yawning near to them or even in passing on the street.

What jobs does she do during the day?

Is there anti-depressants involved that may effect her general sleep patterns? Is there anything else she takes that may create issues in a similar way?

You can see i'm searching for as much information that can help you and others here.

[SquirtKing]

Thanks Hep! You are very clear. Keep you posted

[mikewhitey]

Great to see the thread moving again.

Made a lot of progress towards her accepting me eating her and his combined juice from her pussy and licking cum off his dick and shes suggesting it to me like its her idea and getting off on it in fantasy though haven't yet worked it into her meetings with one of several Mr Black Fantastics.

Its good to think things might be getting a little better for you and your Wife Hep. My fingers are crossed for you.

Also been building in 2 extra things you suggested to me to make things more safe at my advanced stage.

SquirtKing heres hoping things progress for you too.

Slvrfox be careful about using this method with a Wife that is a lite sleeper. It may be counterproductive for you.

[SquirtKing]

Tonight I aborted my plans for a LW session as I wasn't sure she was in sleep. I found a solution to prevent I'm too tired. I will drink a big glass cola with a lot of cafeïne It worked once so I will try if this helps for all nights

Hep & Mike: thank you both for your reply and support

[silverfx42]

Originally Posted by hephaestus

I so feel for your predicament and this isn't in anyway unique I know BUT your so close to a method that can conceivably turn the tables and yet so far!

Fuck yeah the only thing that can make the difference to being able to use this set of methods is your wife starting to take sleeping tablets to overcome light sleeping - may be in conjunction with you snoring!
Does she show concern herself by what is light sleeping - does she find it a issue - does she find herself fully rested. Can it be suggested to her that she doesn't look or act right because of noticing she doesn't seem to be getting enough or deep enough sleep.

Its interesting you know that when one points out being tired or someone else looking tired that invariably a person begins feeling a certain level of tiredness in response - think about how often a person yawns in response to someone else yawning near to them or even in passing on the street.

What jobs does she do during the day?

Is there anti-depressants involved that may effect her general sleep patterns? Is there anything else she takes that may create issues in a similar way?

You can see i'm searching for as much information that can help you and others here.

Thanks for your response. She works werid hours at a hospital which may account for her light sleeping. We have had a rocky marriage but have endured and persevered. I believe her upbringing is the main hinderence for her trying anything new and different.

Do you think it's wrong to fantasize about her being with other men even if she won't and is it okay to show her relatively conservative pictures to men i don't know? Furthermore, is it so wrong for me to want to see her taken completely by a mature black man to give her passion she has not had and very much deserves?

[SquirtKing]

I think it is something natural. As it is a taboo we think it is wrong but I'm sure it isn't. Some people like collecting scalemodels, some people like us like sharing our wifes with BBC's. I stopped thinking it is bad. Even my gf knows my fantasy and is okay with that. Now the real deal

[SquirtKing]

Previous night my girlfriend woke up and told me I was talking. I did like I didn't know what she was saying. This morning she didn't ask me about it so I think she doesn't know anything about it.

I want to hurry up because the latest session was Friday on Saturdaynight.

[hephaestus]

Originally Posted by silverfx42

Thanks for your response. She works werid hours at a hospital which may account for her light sleeping. We have had a rocky marriage but have endured and persevered. I believe her upbringing is the main hinderence for her trying anything new and different.

Do you think it's wrong to fantasize about her being with other men even if she won't and is it okay to show her relatively conservative pictures to men i don't know? Furthermore, is it so wrong for me to want to see her taken completely by a mature black man to give her passion she has not had and very much deserves?

I've got some thoughts suggestions and am putting together some ideas on this area. I have guided folks previously and away from the main forum for the sake of their personal circumstance and also have suggested the use of some hypnosis audio files which you should find linked inside the PDF for download from 4shared.

BUT regarding your quote I need some time to give you a adequate and worthy response which I am lacking right now due to the holiday.

[hephaestus]

Originally Posted by SquirtKing

Previous night my girlfriend woke up and told me I was talking. I did like I didn't know what she was saying. This morning she didn't ask me about it so I think she doesn't know anything about it.

I want to hurry up because the latest session was Friday on Saturdaynight.

Take some care SquirtKing and work on talking gibberish (rubbish) - unintelligible or random speech into the start of your most recent situation.