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[mikewhitey]

OK DWM_wants2obey thanks for condensing everything Heps already said in his pdf file.

What really gets me is that you havent thanked Hep once for this method and it seems to me like your trying to take ownership for it by not admitting thanks or where you got the ideas from. You certainly gone out of your way to say this stuff is great LW is great without admitting who came up with it. Im sure im not the only one thats noticed this pattern.

Im all for spreading the good word of LW but your posts seem to be trying to sideline the guy Hephaestus /Hep who invented it.
Bit like trying to hijack the idea and pretend hey guys look at this Ive just thought about.

I personally think tnblackstallion has a good point if your wife is a light sleeper to the point she ll wake up and listen then this idea is too dangerous and I respect everything Hep says on the pdf that youve edited and put together again here because these are eventualitys we might all have to think about.

Can you just do us all a small favor and reckognize Hep as coming up with this stuff and everytime you copy out of the pdf that you reckognize where your taking that information from.
im going to apologize to Hep now for sidetracking the LW but I got to say I really smell a rat when I see someone constantly come across as a authority and not admit and thank and point out where their getting the information.

[tnblackstallion]

Originally Posted by hephaestus

That's sad tnblack sadly it's more to do with light sleeping than too conservative as expressed throughout the whole of the thread light sleeping is a danger for this and whispering as quietly as possible is the only deterrent.
The protection is the talking in your sleep so that if someone woke up you faking sleep then waking up and asking them a little angrily what their talking about and damn I was having such a good dream.
The light sleeping would have led her to being aware and testing you the next night and that's what it is the light sleeping is the issue here.

Imagine guys that have super conservative wives but have good levels of normal sleep. Depriving them of the chance to resolve internal conflicts between outward controlling conservative and inner slut is offering something much greater the chance to succeed seeing White wives in the arms of black lovers with loving whispers helping hands.

I don't think you get the jist of what happened. I left out an important detail. She told me that she thought she had heard me saying weird stuff, but she wasn't sure. So she faked me out. She was breathing heavy like she was sleeping hard. I made sure of that. But she wasn't. If your wife isn't already open somewhat to stuff like porn (at least ok with you watching it) then you're playing with fire. Better to marry a freak in the first place if that's what you want.

[SquirtKing]

I'm still busy with love whisper. unfortunately I did not have time to do that every night, but I am trying to whisper at least 3 or 4 times a week. That is enough hopefully?

I didn't try to figure out if it works, I didn't use the triggerword yet. I will first whisper more and more the next few days and try to see if it works next week.

Some extra info: as we had a lot of threesomes mmf, she sayed she want to try some new things. So I sayed: a bbc

At this moment I whisper: I start first to check if she is a sleep, so I whisper: I love you (three times) If the breathing doesn't change, I will start.
First I say, [name] listen to what I am gonna say, concentrate yourself.
[name] if I say the word ***** you want to fuck a bbc"

[mikewhitey]

Originally Posted by tnblackstallion

I don't think you get the jist of what happened. I left out an important detail. She told me that she thought she had heard me saying weird stuff, but she wasn't sure. So she faked me out. She was breathing heavy like she was sleeping hard. I made sure of that. But she wasn't. If your wife isn't already open somewhat to stuff like porn (at least ok with you watching it) then you're playing with fire. Better to marry a freak in the first place if that's what you want.

tnblackstallion this has got nothing to do changing a conservative wife , mines a testament to this and looking around other guys are changing their conservative wives. So I see what Heps saying is that its down to having a wife whose a very light sleeper. I know you can then say well if she werent so conservative then it wouldnt be such a big deal but look again I say my wife i bet is every bit as conservative as yours and yet here I am making the changes. But my wife isnt a light sleeper so I can get the success using this LW.

As dwm points out and sorry if I came on too strong dwm, he points out from the pdf that whispering things that couldnt possibly raise her to anger is appropriate such as "I love you" if youd started with this and not done any ass touching and whatever else you started with then may be it wouldnt have got to this , but again i gotta point out if your wife is a light sleeper then dont play with this its playing with fire but if your wife is conservative and she sleeps well normally LIKE MINE then theres nothing to worry about. Ive brought mine on so far its amazing and without LW I wouldnt be any where.
The only one other than your wife that knows how well she sleeps is you so if shes a light sleeper just forget it.


Good luck squirtking all i can is its working for me!

[Durfer]

Hey hep,
I know from reading your posts that 2 to 4 weeks is the average time to start seeing any real results, also, I know you say that more often is better, so I was wondering, how long should the LW "sessions" Be? I've been anywhere from an hour to 2 hours depending on how it goes. still havnt tried the triggerword yet as I want to see a little more evidence that its working. I believe it is, I'd just like to see some more proof before pressing on. Mikey, I would like your thoughts on this as well. Thanks guys. I really appreciate having someone to talk to that fully understands why this is subject is such a turn on to me.

[SquirtKing]

My whisper sessions are approx 10 minutes till 30 minutes, depending on how it goes.

[tnblackstallion]

Originally Posted by mikewhitey

tnblackstallion this has got nothing to do changing a conservative wife , mines a testament to this and looking around other guys are changing their conservative wives. So I see what Heps saying is that its down to having a wife whose a very light sleeper. I know you can then say well if she werent so conservative then it wouldnt be such a big deal but look again I say my wife i bet is every bit as conservative as yours and yet here I am making the changes. But my wife isnt a light sleeper so I can get the success using this LW.

As dwm points out and sorry if I came on too strong dwm, he points out from the pdf that whispering things that couldnt possibly raise her to anger is appropriate such as "I love you" if youd started with this and not done any ass touching and whatever else you started with then may be it wouldnt have got to this , but again i gotta point out if your wife is a light sleeper then dont play with this its playing with fire but if your wife is conservative and she sleeps well normally LIKE MINE then theres nothing to worry about. Ive brought mine on so far its amazing and without LW I wouldnt be any where.
The only one other than your wife that knows how well she sleeps is you so if shes a light sleeper just forget it.


Good luck squirtking all i can is its working for me!

Fine. It works for you great. I laid off the "ass touching" (I was mainly using that to make sure she was asleep anyway) and did the "I love you" part. The result? She told me the next morning "Don't tell me you love me because anymore because I know you don't really mean it". Maybe you've got it all figured out. Maybe you won't get burned. Maybe you will. Play with fire all you want. It's your divorce. Like I said, she said that the first couple of times she wasn't sure I had actually said what she thought I had said. So apparently it got through on the sub conscious level, but the conscious still picked up on it. Anyway, do what you want.

[SquirtKing]

Does she drink alcohol? If yes, let her drink 1 or 2 glasses. I think she will sleep more deep.

[hephaestus]

It's worthy of a warning as tnblackstallion suggests. We can all learn, adapt and grow.

Originally Posted by Durfer

Hey hep,
I know from reading your posts that 2 to 4 weeks is the average time to start seeing any real results, also, I know you say that more often is better, so I was wondering, how long should the LW "sessions" Be? I've been anywhere from an hour to 2 hours depending on how it goes. still havnt tried the triggerword yet as I want to see a little more evidence that its working. I believe it is, I'd just like to see some more proof before pressing on. Mikey, I would like your thoughts on this as well. Thanks guys. I really appreciate having someone to talk to that fully understands why this is subject is such a turn on to me.

See Squirtkings replied and is good. It can be any length of time you want and feel comfortable. Longer sessions such as 30 mins plus and yes you could go on for several hours as I have and remember on such long sessions remembering that repetition of limiting commands are still better than long winded and intricate but any length of time from even as little as 5 minutes is going to help and varying the length and starting with short lengths to gradually increasing the length of time.
And always remembering for long sessions that needing a tired or sedated spouse should she be taking night sedation. A average session of hypnosis when actually the client is under is generally 30 minutes but this is because altering states during daytime are more easily awakened because of noise light and the awareness and suspicions of clients is on the whole generally greater than the sleeping spouse.

I feel I need to say some extra things having read some of dwm and then mikewhitey reply. Look this LW is bigger than any of us and I'd really like it if any and all used this stuff and passed it onto others. I'll happily produce a further PDF of everything here including tnblackstallions misadventure because it gives people a balanced view of using the methods and if dwm wants to edit and use the information laid out in very long format then that is something entirely consistent and necessary for furthering LW. I really don't see myself as some cult like figure that needs to hang onto ideas and it's not like anyone is ever going to get the chance to charge anyone because this information is now 'out there'. I really do value all your input.

[Durfer]

O.K. guys thanks for the input. I have an update on some progress as of yesterday.

One of the things my wife loves doing is riding bikes on 5 star trails in our area. So much so that we just bought 2 new (and rather expensive) bikes at the begining of the summer for this purpose, and have been on them quite a bit this year. Well about a week and a half ago, during one of my LW sessions, one of the things i tried was whispering, "you want to get black cock while we're on the bike trail" It was my attempt to possibly create a dream experience for her that may really turn her on. Well after a few days & no real results from that, I thought: "Well, that did'nt really have any effect" Then, yesterday, while we were riding bikes, she comments (very casually & out of the blue) that she has noticed that we generally see very few black men out either walking, or riding bikes on these trails as we do. The significance of this is simply that she would NEVER have thought of this on her own. It may not sound like much to some, but as has been stated in earlier posts, baby steps are what is required here and this is one. also as you said before hep, this is going to take awhile with my girl & I am willing to spend the time. I also found out from her, through the course of our conversation that she is somewhat intimidated by black men because of the stereotypical profile that they sometimes (Unfairly to be sure) recieve. I mentioned some black folks we know, (who are some of the finest people we have ever known) and told her that most black men are much like them and she agreed, but I know now that there is work to be done in that area. So as you can see I really do STILL have a ton of shit to wade through with her but I am pressing on.