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[Durfer]

Hey hep,
I know from reading your posts that 2 to 4 weeks is the average time to start seeing any real results, also, I know you say that more often is better, so I was wondering, how long should the LW "sessions" Be? I've been anywhere from an hour to 2 hours depending on how it goes. still havnt tried the triggerword yet as I want to see a little more evidence that its working. I believe it is, I'd just like to see some more proof before pressing on. Mikey, I would like your thoughts on this as well. Thanks guys. I really appreciate having someone to talk to that fully understands why this is subject is such a turn on to me.

[SquirtKing]

My whisper sessions are approx 10 minutes till 30 minutes, depending on how it goes.

[hephaestus]

It's worthy of a warning as tnblackstallion suggests. We can all learn, adapt and grow.

Originally Posted by Durfer

Hey hep,
I know from reading your posts that 2 to 4 weeks is the average time to start seeing any real results, also, I know you say that more often is better, so I was wondering, how long should the LW "sessions" Be? I've been anywhere from an hour to 2 hours depending on how it goes. still havnt tried the triggerword yet as I want to see a little more evidence that its working. I believe it is, I'd just like to see some more proof before pressing on. Mikey, I would like your thoughts on this as well. Thanks guys. I really appreciate having someone to talk to that fully understands why this is subject is such a turn on to me.

See Squirtkings replied and is good. It can be any length of time you want and feel comfortable. Longer sessions such as 30 mins plus and yes you could go on for several hours as I have and remember on such long sessions remembering that repetition of limiting commands are still better than long winded and intricate but any length of time from even as little as 5 minutes is going to help and varying the length and starting with short lengths to gradually increasing the length of time.
And always remembering for long sessions that needing a tired or sedated spouse should she be taking night sedation. A average session of hypnosis when actually the client is under is generally 30 minutes but this is because altering states during daytime are more easily awakened because of noise light and the awareness and suspicions of clients is on the whole generally greater than the sleeping spouse.

I feel I need to say some extra things having read some of dwm and then mikewhitey reply. Look this LW is bigger than any of us and I'd really like it if any and all used this stuff and passed it onto others. I'll happily produce a further PDF of everything here including tnblackstallions misadventure because it gives people a balanced view of using the methods and if dwm wants to edit and use the information laid out in very long format then that is something entirely consistent and necessary for furthering LW. I really don't see myself as some cult like figure that needs to hang onto ideas and it's not like anyone is ever going to get the chance to charge anyone because this information is now 'out there'. I really do value all your input.

[Durfer]

O.K. guys thanks for the input. I have an update on some progress as of yesterday.

One of the things my wife loves doing is riding bikes on 5 star trails in our area. So much so that we just bought 2 new (and rather expensive) bikes at the begining of the summer for this purpose, and have been on them quite a bit this year. Well about a week and a half ago, during one of my LW sessions, one of the things i tried was whispering, "you want to get black cock while we're on the bike trail" It was my attempt to possibly create a dream experience for her that may really turn her on. Well after a few days & no real results from that, I thought: "Well, that did'nt really have any effect" Then, yesterday, while we were riding bikes, she comments (very casually & out of the blue) that she has noticed that we generally see very few black men out either walking, or riding bikes on these trails as we do. The significance of this is simply that she would NEVER have thought of this on her own. It may not sound like much to some, but as has been stated in earlier posts, baby steps are what is required here and this is one. also as you said before hep, this is going to take awhile with my girl & I am willing to spend the time. I also found out from her, through the course of our conversation that she is somewhat intimidated by black men because of the stereotypical profile that they sometimes (Unfairly to be sure) recieve. I mentioned some black folks we know, (who are some of the finest people we have ever known) and told her that most black men are much like them and she agreed, but I know now that there is work to be done in that area. So as you can see I really do STILL have a ton of shit to wade through with her but I am pressing on.

[SquirtKing]

Great progress Durfer. I agree that patience is the most important thing.

One of my challenges is to don't get in sleep. I am a busy man, work a lot etc. and I am most times too tired to whisper. Now I drink every evening enough cola or coffee so I am can't get in sleep

[mikewhitey]

Originally Posted by Durfer

O.K. guys thanks for the input. I have an update on some progress as of yesterday.

One of the things my wife loves doing is riding bikes on 5 star trails in our area. So much so that we just bought 2 new (and rather expensive) bikes at the begining of the summer for this purpose, and have been on them quite a bit this year. Well about a week and a half ago, during one of my LW sessions, one of the things i tried was whispering, "you want to get black cock while we're on the bike trail" It was my attempt to possibly create a dream experience for her that may really turn her on. Well after a few days & no real results from that, I thought: "Well, that did'nt really have any effect" Then, yesterday, while we were riding bikes, she comments (very casually & out of the blue) that she has noticed that we generally see very few black men out either walking, or riding bikes on these trails as we do. The significance of this is simply that she would NEVER have thought of this on her own. It may not sound like much to some, but as has been stated in earlier posts, baby steps are what is required here and this is one. also as you said before hep, this is going to take awhile with my girl & I am willing to spend the time. I also found out from her, through the course of our conversation that she is somewhat intimidated by black men because of the stereotypical profile that they sometimes (Unfairly to be sure) recieve. I mentioned some black folks we know, (who are some of the finest people we have ever known) and told her that most black men are much like them and she agreed, but I know now that there is work to be done in that area. So as you can see I really do STILL have a ton of shit to wade through with her but I am pressing on.

I agree its noticing those little things that to others just wouldnt sound like much but make our alarm bells ring like crazy and turn our heads "say what"! Baby steps have got me this far and whats interesting is overlaying one thing on top of the other new suggestions just make things progress that much quicker. Its like building a orchestra up to creshendo and those vibrations all mounting up and mingling together seem to be acting in unison.

I apologize Hep for drawing the focus away from LW I might be a little paranoid and agressive at heart coming from a city environemnt

I got nothing new to report at moment we re happy enjoying fantasy play and dildo and oral.I know I got to progress but damn im so enjoying this stage right now

[Durfer]

Well I guess I got a little greedy & got busted friday night. Yep, she heard the whole half hour session, told me about it the next morning, (She had me dead to rights too! No denying it) & of course assured me she "does not love black cock" & "this aint gonna work on me!" (Did'nt have the heart to tell her it already HAS been working on her) I thought at the time that she did'nt seem to be sleeping as soundly as usual, but brushed it of (mistakenly to be sure) coupled with the fact that saturday was a very important day for her so she probably was'nt resting as normal (in anticipation of the days events) so this may be a consideration for you guys when deciding weather or not to have a LW session . Suprisingly, she wasnt mad or upset, although it does not come as a suprise to her as she already knows how much I would like this. She actually thought it rather amusing & laughed about it (no fighting or divorce court) & we went on to have an otherwise great weekend so I am just gonna have to lay low & keep a low profile for awhile. I will post more a little later once the smoke has cleared so to speak.

[SquirtKing]

Same here.... last night I thought she was sleeping. As usual, I started with whispering: "I love you". God bless me I always start like that because she asked: did you say something?

This morning she asked me about it... my reaction was a little bit confusing so she said: never mind This week I have to stay a little bit low profile too... I'm sorry guys.

[Jacko1]

I am still whispering guys. She was moaning all night last night. Nothing I was doing, just deeep in sleep. She took a sleeping pill and man she was out. I was loud with my whispering as I knew nothing was bringing her back. Spend 3x 20 minute sessions over the course of the night.

You guys have been freaked. All I need is to get busted..............

[tnblackstallion]

Originally Posted by Durfer

Well I guess I got a little greedy & got busted friday night. Yep, she heard the whole half hour session, told me about it the next morning, (She had me dead to rights too! No denying it) & of course assured me she "does not love black cock" & "this aint gonna work on me!" (Did'nt have the heart to tell her it already HAS been working on her) I thought at the time that she did'nt seem to be sleeping as soundly as usual, but brushed it of (mistakenly to be sure) coupled with the fact that saturday was a very important day for her so she probably was'nt resting as normal (in anticipation of the days events) so this may be a consideration for you guys when deciding weather or not to have a LW session . Suprisingly, she wasnt mad or upset, although it does not come as a suprise to her as she already knows how much I would like this. She actually thought it rather amusing & laughed about it (no fighting or divorce court) & we went on to have an otherwise great weekend so I am just gonna have to lay low & keep a low profile for awhile. I will post more a little later once the smoke has cleared so to speak.

See. This is what I'm saying. No matter HOW good you think you are at this, there is a chance that you'll get busted. So the question is what are the consequences of getting busted? Durfer's wife didn't freak out too much and threaten to divorce him. People say "wait until she gets drunk". Well some wives are too conservative to drink. I'm not trying to bust anybody's bubble. I'm just trying to save others a world of hurt. If you have a wife that's not into porn, but accepts the fact that you are that's one thing. If your wife is the kind to want to call in an exorcist on you after you try something like this that's something totally different.