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[SquirtKing]

Great progress Durfer. I agree that patience is the most important thing.

One of my challenges is to don't get in sleep. I am a busy man, work a lot etc. and I am most times too tired to whisper. Now I drink every evening enough cola or coffee so I am can't get in sleep

[mikewhitey]

Originally Posted by Durfer

O.K. guys thanks for the input. I have an update on some progress as of yesterday.

One of the things my wife loves doing is riding bikes on 5 star trails in our area. So much so that we just bought 2 new (and rather expensive) bikes at the begining of the summer for this purpose, and have been on them quite a bit this year. Well about a week and a half ago, during one of my LW sessions, one of the things i tried was whispering, "you want to get black cock while we're on the bike trail" It was my attempt to possibly create a dream experience for her that may really turn her on. Well after a few days & no real results from that, I thought: "Well, that did'nt really have any effect" Then, yesterday, while we were riding bikes, she comments (very casually & out of the blue) that she has noticed that we generally see very few black men out either walking, or riding bikes on these trails as we do. The significance of this is simply that she would NEVER have thought of this on her own. It may not sound like much to some, but as has been stated in earlier posts, baby steps are what is required here and this is one. also as you said before hep, this is going to take awhile with my girl & I am willing to spend the time. I also found out from her, through the course of our conversation that she is somewhat intimidated by black men because of the stereotypical profile that they sometimes (Unfairly to be sure) recieve. I mentioned some black folks we know, (who are some of the finest people we have ever known) and told her that most black men are much like them and she agreed, but I know now that there is work to be done in that area. So as you can see I really do STILL have a ton of shit to wade through with her but I am pressing on.

I agree its noticing those little things that to others just wouldnt sound like much but make our alarm bells ring like crazy and turn our heads "say what"! Baby steps have got me this far and whats interesting is overlaying one thing on top of the other new suggestions just make things progress that much quicker. Its like building a orchestra up to creshendo and those vibrations all mounting up and mingling together seem to be acting in unison.

I apologize Hep for drawing the focus away from LW I might be a little paranoid and agressive at heart coming from a city environemnt

I got nothing new to report at moment we re happy enjoying fantasy play and dildo and oral.I know I got to progress but damn im so enjoying this stage right now

[Durfer]

Well I guess I got a little greedy & got busted friday night. Yep, she heard the whole half hour session, told me about it the next morning, (She had me dead to rights too! No denying it) & of course assured me she "does not love black cock" & "this aint gonna work on me!" (Did'nt have the heart to tell her it already HAS been working on her) I thought at the time that she did'nt seem to be sleeping as soundly as usual, but brushed it of (mistakenly to be sure) coupled with the fact that saturday was a very important day for her so she probably was'nt resting as normal (in anticipation of the days events) so this may be a consideration for you guys when deciding weather or not to have a LW session . Suprisingly, she wasnt mad or upset, although it does not come as a suprise to her as she already knows how much I would like this. She actually thought it rather amusing & laughed about it (no fighting or divorce court) & we went on to have an otherwise great weekend so I am just gonna have to lay low & keep a low profile for awhile. I will post more a little later once the smoke has cleared so to speak.

[SquirtKing]

Same here.... last night I thought she was sleeping. As usual, I started with whispering: "I love you". God bless me I always start like that because she asked: did you say something?

This morning she asked me about it... my reaction was a little bit confusing so she said: never mind This week I have to stay a little bit low profile too... I'm sorry guys.

[Jacko1]

I am still whispering guys. She was moaning all night last night. Nothing I was doing, just deeep in sleep. She took a sleeping pill and man she was out. I was loud with my whispering as I knew nothing was bringing her back. Spend 3x 20 minute sessions over the course of the night.

You guys have been freaked. All I need is to get busted..............

[tnblackstallion]

Originally Posted by Durfer

Well I guess I got a little greedy & got busted friday night. Yep, she heard the whole half hour session, told me about it the next morning, (She had me dead to rights too! No denying it) & of course assured me she "does not love black cock" & "this aint gonna work on me!" (Did'nt have the heart to tell her it already HAS been working on her) I thought at the time that she did'nt seem to be sleeping as soundly as usual, but brushed it of (mistakenly to be sure) coupled with the fact that saturday was a very important day for her so she probably was'nt resting as normal (in anticipation of the days events) so this may be a consideration for you guys when deciding weather or not to have a LW session . Suprisingly, she wasnt mad or upset, although it does not come as a suprise to her as she already knows how much I would like this. She actually thought it rather amusing & laughed about it (no fighting or divorce court) & we went on to have an otherwise great weekend so I am just gonna have to lay low & keep a low profile for awhile. I will post more a little later once the smoke has cleared so to speak.

See. This is what I'm saying. No matter HOW good you think you are at this, there is a chance that you'll get busted. So the question is what are the consequences of getting busted? Durfer's wife didn't freak out too much and threaten to divorce him. People say "wait until she gets drunk". Well some wives are too conservative to drink. I'm not trying to bust anybody's bubble. I'm just trying to save others a world of hurt. If you have a wife that's not into porn, but accepts the fact that you are that's one thing. If your wife is the kind to want to call in an exorcist on you after you try something like this that's something totally different.

[SquirtKing]

The difference between you and me is that my wife isn't conservative. My wife knows my feelings and my fantasy. Because I started saying "I love you" for a few times, I try to figure out if she really sleeps. Most times it was, once it wasn't.

For me it is difficult to start again as I am unsure if she is asleep.

[Durfer]

I agree with Squirtking: First, I dont claim to be "Good" at this, I am not even positivly sure It works. I know one thing though, & that is the reason It did'nt hurt me to get caught is because I have made no secret of my desire to see my wife taking BBC & have'nt kept it from her thus, she was'nt suprised (BTW Stallion, my wife did'nt freak out at all, she laughed about it. Now I realize not everyone here is gonna get that result so, your point is well taken.) Second, the sex we have had over the last 4 days has been extreemly intense & erotic. I dont know if LW had anything to do with that, but its a possibility. Third, the one thing I know about my wife is this: certain things have to be her idea, & many things we have done over the past 25 years are things she Initally said no to but, ultimatly agreed to, and was overjoyed with the results. A good example: I had wanted a motorhome since i was a kid. Her: No No No & HELL NO! Had every excuse in the world why we should'nt. 4 or 5 years this went on but I knew once I got her in one, she would love it! turns out I was right. (To hear her tell the story now, it was all her idea & I was just along for the ride) New car, new house, No, No, No, We cant afford it, Blah blah blah. same results. For her it is mostly Self confidence issues that again go back to her childhood. I believe this subject is no different. Once she finally tries it, She is gonna LOVE it. The key is going to be making it HER idea.

[mikewhitey]

Well I'm going to concentrate on the success Ive got so far which is fucking astounding and to making my wife think its her idea and her fantasy. My advice if your too weak then forget it put the fantasy away and dont bring it out just forget it and walk away, you werent ever going to succeed no way no how.
Since its working so well for me I got to wonder why its working for me and not some other guy and since I know its working for other people I got to wonder what makes the difference for them and not for you eccept Im way past caring so if you want a whine please take it some place else. I want to get back to hearing constructive posts and yes rekognizing theirs a danger is important which amazingly some of us did realise at the outset considering its pointed at all the way through the thread and through Heps pdf! and dealing with that danger is something ive been doing since first starting using this LW method.
I never do this stuff unless I know shes tired and been busy during the day and if shes been drinking alcohol is a plus, if shes had a late up night, if ive satisfied her with the nice big black dildo and made her cum. IF IN DOUBT I dont do it or just whisper sweet nothings of I love you etc and then give it a rest and go to sleep. Looking at Heps suggestions shows these are the things to do as well as if they use sleeping tablets as well. I aint going to get drawn into any more whining because its been pointed out good and proper from the outset. If you dont have the smarts or the balls to take the flack then please dont consider this a option for you. You really can swap to another thread without any further hassle you can put it all clear out of your mind.
My wifes has been a very uptight conservative up until I started introducing this Shes every bit a conservative as they get and Im changing her and shes thinking its her idea. Its the difference thats making the difference.

[Jacko1]

Completely agree with Mikey. This shit works!!!

I don't whisper unless I know she is in a deep deep sleep. The rhythm has to be consistent. No chances of getting busted!!

She seems to go into a deeper breathing pattern when I whisper now. Thats no bullshit. Not sure why but she goes deeper.

She seems to be responding to the whispering. She does not drink wine but had 2 evenings this week with wine? Coincidence? Sorry guys, but she is f**ing hot on alcohol. Split personality. She suggested trying some new wines last night?

I am suggesting consistent themes and building on them. Too soon to see if it gets into her subconcsious but I am convinced there is something to this effort. Typically 20 minute sessions a few times a night a few times a week.

If all goes well, she will be sucking my cock full time and taking some bigger cock shortly.