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Originally Posted by SquirtKing

Thanks. If I understand correct (my language is Dutch and this is a bit technical English) I'm not doing wrong? As I understand correct, stroking is a way to get more in touch with the subconscious mind?

NOT for a second am I suggesting anything other than YOU are doing RIGHT here Squirtking - if its working for you YOU ARE DOING IT RIGHT.

Experience on this has shown me that to keep it broad across the page for the many readers of the world wide web that I need to interject a little caveat here and there for the general user - I know it sounded personal and it wasn't intended quite so personal - this is where I have to grasp from the personal to the impersonal so that I don't get people jumping down my throat saying "YOU DIDN'T SAY...." - What I'm giving here is what is the established and on this we depart from tried and tested on the many as this is something I have only tried myself in different forms from doing this from awake state to stimulated unconsciousness and from sleep to stimulated unconscious - both of which have worked for me - and thats the point - this is where as I said with original reference to 'Mesmer Stroking' the warning that it is untested though worked for me!

Remember these methods are all rule of thumb and what works for some will not work for all because as we can see from SILVERFOX the issue of light sleep which I now need to come back onto with the closing reply to you.