Termination Stage
 

So how is the Termination stage supposed to work when we're doing LW on our wives when they're asleep? We don't want them to wake up, but then again we don't want them to stay in a unended deep sleep?

Also, can you use a trigger to initiate deep sleep? (i.e. "When I say the word ----, you will slip deeper into sleep and will not wake up.")

Good Questions
 

For the first question: We don't want to confuse LW with Hypnosis.

The idea might be to induce Hypnosis from LW.
In Preparation there is a trust built up. Hopefully you already have it hence the LW.

I think you could get her to the restful sleep stage and say "This is restful sleep, and we'll come back here." Explain how beneficial restful sleep is etc.

I have a sleep mp3 coming. She'll listen to that because I've talked to her best friend about her need to sleep better and maybe she should try this sleep mp3. She told her to give it a try.
I'll listen to the sleep mp3 and see where it leaves her.
After she's listened to it a few times and she's had positive results, I'll do a deepening from there - walking down steps to a beach. Deepening as you go.
Nobody around for miles. Hear the waves (My background sounds playing) A beautiful cabana with shear sides that you can see out. A Massage table. Sinking in - relaxed etc. A Black masseuse. - feel his big black hands as he rubs in the lotion that melts away all that muscle tension etc. Keep the imagery up. Escalate from there with permission. Not too graphic. Kinda soft-core. Imagery and texture with suggestions and permissions.

ie: "And as you're listening to the waves lap the beach and Malcolm is rubbing his big black hands on your thighs, a sensuous warmth overcomes you. So sensuous. So nice, So Sexy.
You cant help but notice his big black cock hanging down from his shorts. And as he's rubbing your thighs and the wave of sexiness runs through your body you really want to hold Malcolm's big black cock. Would you like to hold it?" Hopefully get a nod. " mmmm So nice............etc etc"

Then take her back up the steps and in the bed where the sleep mp3 left her, repeating whatever the sleep mp3 says. " And when you awake in the morning etc etc"


On the second question:
Geeze. Makes sense. It would seem that she would have to have been in that state a few times in order to reference it like that. The whole process of deepening only takes like 2 minutes anyway. I wouldn't see the need to rush.

Any input on these ideas would be great. I'm just a neophyte and like I said before, I'd like to do it the first time.

Stop
 

Its NOT it has NOTHING to do with the LW method.

Wow guys I step away from the thread for a few weeks and suddenly people are starting taking some giant wrong turns.

There's nothing wrong with anyone exploring hypnosis and as with fingerlaker I actively suggested him looking deeper into it for understanding the background context and for drawing extra knowledge into using conversational hypnosis during the day BUT you can't take hypnosis methods in the very varied methods of hypnosis and apply them all whole sale to LW. That's going to start making you head in directions that aren't just unnecessary but are going to cripple your LW sessions.

The point of LW is that it entirely bypasses the need for putting someone in trance - the heightened state of sleep is there and the persons unconscious will flow off the back of hearing your voice and suggestions.

In following LW I can suggest the idea of KIS 'keep it simple'.

In looking into conversational hypnosis for day-time suggestion I'd suggest Milton Erickson, NLP -BUT these aren't necessary for doing LW

Please don't bog yourselves down with applying hypnosis methods to LW YOU DONT NEED IT - THE STATE IS ALREADY THERE AND SHE IS ALREADY OPEN TO SUGGESTION IN THIS SLEEP STATE.

Also no one stays in a perpetual sleep either in hypnosis or from going to sleep at night unless someones hit them over the head with something hard and heavy!
Termination as described has nothing to do with LW method as the person will either continue their sleep or wake because they heard something.

I have described numerously the idea of beginning the LW with firstly "I love you over and over and followed with you I going deeper and deeper down all the way down deep and comfortable and relaxed just listening to the sound of my voice taking you deeper and deeper all the way down deep and comfortable and relaxed deeper and deeper............. just listening to the sound of my voice and obeying what I say" (and as people have seen and are using and changing looking at Jackos' posts' are noticing very significant changes in breathing during these initialisations and continuations of suggestions/commands)

Look guys build off these basics repeating and expanding the requests and gradually changing the agenda as you go. Start with simple requests like getting her to use black dildo to getting her to looking and responding to black guys around food stores etc to making her feeling aroused when she sees a big black guy making her transfixed by his package - seeking out his package and making her clit becoming erect her nipples erect making her feeling very wet and very aroused as she begins thinking about his big black manhood in side her - fucking her, using her, cumming deep in her making her cum again and again on the end of his big black cock.

This LW suggestion isn't as intense as hypnosis in general BUT it is that slow building of desires in LW that's going to get you from A to B in a way that would just be WAY TOO risky trying to attempt using awakened state to hypnotic state methods during the day.

Please please stop bringing hypnosis whole sale into LW its going to get very confusing for a lot of people really quickly and hey that's a desired effect of conversational hypnosis in awakened conscious states BUT NOT FOR LW. I am directly referring to taking hypnosis copy and pastes and leaving things like 'termination' left in which has no earthly value in LW and WILL ONLY CONFUSE as noted above. LW and the thread is too valuable to start creating confusion so please pull back from dumping copy and pastes of hypnosis information.

Sticking to what you use as scripts is really good because others can help you and or refine their own ideas around them. BUT don't be so tied by a script that you think you have to only say certain words because your going to trip yourself up in delivery and not be paying attention enough to her changes in breathing and possible wakefulness.
Using consistantly wrong words like she will become 'hot' would be a issue if you keep saying it but if you trip yourself up on one occasion or more by accidentally saying it will do no long term harm in LW because the intensity of hypnosis is not there LW is very gentle in comparison and so mistakes are easily recovered and changed without long term consequences. IN HYPNOSIS this is a issue of making sure your delivery is perfect first time in LW you really CAN afford to fuck up and get back on the next passage next night or next week.

I'll keep coming back to the thread as and when I can BUT I got a heap of life on my plate right now.

Keep at it guys now your efforts have incremental rewards for you and her enjoy.

Thanks for clarifying Hep,

My head was starting to spin, trying to figure out how I was going to squeeze in all of the specifics and still get sleep myself! Felt like I was back in school trying to cram for a test. I like the KIS theory, seems to work in almost every situation.

Glad to see this thread hasn't died, as I can see some serious benefits of everything you've outlined. Just need to come up with a primary script and test it for several LW sessions to see if I'm doing it right. I started getting worried about screwing up her head if I did all of the serious hypnosis stuff wrong. Thanks again...

hey
 

Good thoughts Hep. Thought youd hightailed out of here so nice to see you still around.

I got to say im getting startling results with raising her interest levels and fantasy fun but i wonder if im enjoying this stage so much im not wanting to take it any further right now? I dont knwo wether i should be pushing harder and more aggressive to getting her to seeing black men but i am really enjoying all the fantasy play dildo and ir fantasy and her fantasy domination by black men that i think i have stuck myself down to just this and dont want to move forward

Only you can know
 

Mike you don't have to have me telling you that it's all up to you to know how quickly you advance and whether you decide to advance at all. Your enjoying this stage and that's great.
The PDF outlines the pendulum method for asking your and other people questions of your/their unconscious -if your finding confusion over what you really think deep down about where you want to head using the PDF section on the pendulum will give you a great grasp of what's going on deep down.

have read thru and found the techniques and progress from others very encouraging. as stallion alluded to about using this to get his woman to try another girl, i too have the same intention in mind. my lady is a heavy sleeper so i thing i should get some good results with this. as heph stated a few post above, keep it simple. i started last night with whispering to her that anytime i touch her left breast she would be desiring to give me a blowjob... i will test this out over the next few nights and see what i come up with and report back my findings....

First time...close call
 

My wife is very sexy, but very inhibited when it comes to sex. She grew up in a small TX town in a very dysfunctional family. She used to think masturbation was dirty and wrong and would not do it no matter how much I told her it turned me on.

It wasn't until she was going to counseling for anxiety issues that she finally started open up a little. Her counselor actually told her that she should masturbate to relieve some of her stress and anxiety. When she told me what the counselor said, it was like she had been told to sell her children. She's gotten better over the last 10 years and will even use a vibe at times, but she's still hesitant to touch herself in front of me.

I started reading this thread and decided that this could help her come out of her "shell" and enjoy her lovely body as much as I do...and let me watch. This is my first attempt with LW from a few nights ago:

I tried whispering to my wife while she slept a couple of nights ago. She'd had a drink before bed and was snoring lightly, so I thought it would be the perfect time.
I whispered "I love you" to her several times to see if her breathing would change. Her snoring would get quieter for a few seconds, then return to her previous pattern. I then told her "I love to see you touch yourself" between "I love you's". I would wait a minute or two to listen to her breathing pattern, then I told her "I love to see you rubbing your pussy"... still snoring lightly. I give another "I love you" followed by an "I love to see you touch yourself", and she suddenly wakes up and asks me "Did you say something?"

My heart skipped a beat, but I kept my cool and told her
Me: " I said I love you."

Her: "I though you said something about 'answer you cell phone'"

Me: "You were snoring, and I didn't want to wake you, but you stopped when I said 'I love you'"

Her: "I could have sworn you said something else... You sure you weren't saying something to me earlier?"

Me: "You stopped snoring for a while when I told you I loved you, so I'd say that when you started again"

She laid down and went back to sleep. She asked me again when I got home from work if I was saying something else before and I told her she must have been dreaming and heard me telling her that I love her.

She let it go, but she WAS hornier than hell that night and wouldn't quit until I came twice, then wanted me to use her vibe on her til she came again!!! I love these results, but not sure if I want to chance getting caught again. We went out to dinner last night and she brought it up again, saying that she could have sworn she heard me saying something else to her. I'm positive she will be highly pissed if she consciously hears some of the things I was planning for future LW sessions. Maybe I'll let things calm down for a couple of weeks and try again... We'll see.

Take it real slow and start small
 

Hi Antk89,

Leave any suggestion alone for a few weeks and when you do start just act asleep and make sure your wifes breathing is relaxed then start with even just some gibberish - indistinct wording - test this to see if she comes out of sleep. Then either that night or following nights just do some "I love you so deeply" type talk. I think a real slow gradual building on the simplest and safest stuff to acclimatize her to hearing your voice at night - if you get caught like that then you can say "I must have been talking in my sleep" make a joke of it laugh it off and reapply the same course again so that she becomes used to expecting to hear you at night.

Either that or leave the method alone if you think its too dangerous.

Good luck on what you decide.