sub concious stimulation
 

10 days ago I woke up in the middle of the night, my wife lay beside me sound asleep so why not try some subconsious stimulation. So I sat close to her ear and said rather loudly ".... I want you to have sex with a black man". She raised her head up and said "I love you" and countinued to sleep with no mention of what happened. However we have had sex every night since, was a couple times a month, the 4th night she asked me what I was thinking about I told her I was just enjoying what she was doing. So then she asked if I would mind if she had sex with another man? I said "mind , I want you to have sex with another man" What do yall think?

YES is the answer
 

This is a reformatted PDF version of the subforum of now dead Nworshipunlimited.com. Saving this was one of the things I learnt to do after the very original n*****worship.com went down all those years ago.

Due to the popularity and CONSTANT complaining (Dont' worry you weren't the only one!)) I have now managed to get all the pieces back together and PDF'ed.
It was a colossal thread of techniques for subtle persuasion on our wives and girlfriends and certainly has received much praise from people around the world as having helped to bring out that natural slut and much harassment to getting me to reapply myself to this Titan.
There are yet more pieces on hypnosis from various angles of interest I am placing back together from recordings and one damaged hard drive that I have made almost recoverable as well as the PDF from becoming the bull thread.

Whether we can revive a working 'Total Technologies to Change' thread here we shall see. Would the Mods be agreeable? Is this thread in the right place? Let me know guys.

I hope it can become readable to those many who need some small illumination into the dark night of their frustrating despair. LOL nothing like being dramatic !)

PDF not attached too large. SO please use link

http://www.4shared.com/document/FC0vu3fW/NWO_3TC_Loving_Whispers.html



Good Luck.

These links will take you to share sites that apparently don't require registration for download.

http://snk.to/f-cdcsd59h

and here

http://speedy.sh/BBBp5/nwo-3tc-loving-whispers.zip

I have zipped the LW pdf file and it is password protected against opening by the 'uninitiated'.
The password is " big black cock ".

dropbox - https://www.dropbox.com/s/clt56l0ppw...g_whispers.zip

Hi
 

Well thank you so much for the info. I was pointed in the direction of lovin whispers by someone from your old forum who said this had worked for them. Going to read and digest what you got to say and give this a go starting tonight. How long roughly do you need to do this before starting to see signs of change and also how often do you have to do it to keep it in the mind. I ask this because I use dto be a smoker yeah yeah I know disgusting. Anyway I used a selfhyopnosis audio at night and fouud that after about 2 weeks things started to seep into my mind and interefrring with old patterns of that behavor to the point I could no longer smoke even if I tried. BUT after about a month of not listening I found it started to get easier to think about and then reach for those cigs. So I had to keep toppin up that self hypnosis. Oh yeah and the reason other than speaking to the guy that used this on his wife is that I used to fall asleep all the time listening to my no smoking self hypno mp3s all the time and it didnt make any difference because it all went in and did what it was meant to do.

So just starting reading your pdf file and gotta say Im real impressed. How I missed your old forum I don't know and this idea is mind blowing because I can see just how it works having looed into it in the first place with my giving up smoking addiction.

Thank you SO MUCH!

Hi
 

An update of my side.

I started the love whispering and did it now for 3 times since the weekend. I am not 100% sure if it already works. Nevertheless I noticed a few changes of her behaviour when I use the word to activate her mind.

Especialy yesterday evening. I started to finger her pussy. She was extreme wet. I started first with two fingers and later with three fingers. I was whispering that this was just like a big cock that was fucking her. She said: yes... a real big cock.

A few moments later I said: does it matter if it is a bbc while fingering her.... she said NO it doesn't matter!!! :D I don't know if she would have said that if I didn't whisper in her sleep.

One night I said to her in a lovewhisper that she will squirt in her pants when I am fingering her. And guess what: she did last evening for the first time.

So it are a few signs that the lovewhisper helps.

Finding same advances
 

I have only been doing this since finding the file here and with encourgement from my online buddy who told me this stuff works after using it himself on his wife!
Just like you SquirtKing I have noticed very definitive changes like my buddy said I would.
Unlike yours mine has NEVER been with anyone but me, shes shy a little reserved . All of a sudden I'm seeing her looking at black guys on the sly and when we're playing in bed suddenly she's getting passionate and I don't think shes thinking of me. I played with the "going black to what I said last night thing" and she seemed to clear off into her own little world for a minute and was completely oblivus of me. I've been saying and following the pdf and using triggers to drop her into sex states. Over roughly 2 weeks my sex has increased from before 2 x 2 weeks to 7 x 2 weeks. I'm a little frightened by how succesfull this is being so far! If you want to use this thing people might really consider wether they want this for their wives and girlfriends. I really could have done with this LW and other stuff at least 10 years ago or more. Hephaestus I thank you sincerly your a god among white bois.

Snuggums you started this thread have you been reading this pdf?

Many thanks. Unfortunately I am unable to lovewhisper every night but I do what I can. As it seems it works after a few times whispering, I will go on.

Try a massage
 

Got the wife into swinging in two ways. Offered her any guy of her choice under her conditions and set up a full body nude massage for her , legit and certified. You can find masseuses that will come to your house with their own table. OH , just make sure he is BLACK. I did not that time but am setting one up now and she likes the idea, makes her under control.
Ad on craigs to find one and meet him set it up etc. You don't have to tell her he is black, just ended up that way./ Good luck.

Doing good
 

Great :) Tonight I took some time to whisper again. This morning she wanted immediately sex. Again she was wet. Next week, if everything is going like I have planned, I will try a black dildo.

still working
 

My wife is a light sleeper so I have to be cafeful that she is asleep, but when I can LW she will wake up wet and ready, but she claims not to know why. Will continue LW eventually will suggest a black cock when she is wet and ready.

My wife discovered some interracial porn pictures on my PC. I didn't push the pictures in a hidden map because I don't want to have secrets for her.

She asked me a few days ago: you like IRsex? I was a little bit shocked. Yesterday I tolked about it and she didn't mind that I like it. I asked her if she would like to use a bbc dildo and she said yes. ;)

I will go a few days on holiday. I will taking a BBC dildo with me and try to let my girl ride on it. Also I will continue whispering!

can see the change
 

There is no doubt in my mind that the whispering has given her sexual energy and she wakes up in the night in a daze, although as yet she claims not to know why the change in her sexual desire. She was braging the other night about cumming 6 times, I had told her I was thinkining about another man fucking her and pretended it was a strange dick when I fingered her. I will continue to whisper in hopes of achieving the ultimate goal of her having sex with a black man or men whitch I also mentioned to her the other night.:)

Do you whisper or do you are also talking softly a little bit?

Edit: I will intensify the love whispers the next few weeks :)

Softly if safe
 

Hi Squirtking

Softly is good if u can do it and it's all about what you think you can get away with by slowly testing during a LW session. The better the volume without her waking the better but as long as her unconscious / subconscious is able to pick it up then this is all that's needed. Rememberng how tired has she been before going to bed. Has she been drinking that evening, has she taken sleeping tablets, does she have any hearing deficit in a particular ear, which way is she laying, is she laying flat, does she have covers up close to her head, is she breathing loudly.
Apply the principles adjust to responses for instance if her breathing suddenly quietens this may be a raising of her consciousness but as in all methods knowing your wifes breathing pattern is something you can know and anyone else can only guess at.
Taking what can be described as a base reading before you start a LW session is a good idea.
You all seem to be doing pretty well which is expected , as to light sleeping snuggums that's unfortunate for really being able to let the LW taking hold BUT seems like your getting some great desired effects!

Its all good
 

After following your PDF and the Loving Whispers at night and asking my wife to tell me she wants me to use a big black vibrator on her with me licking her clit my wife is now using a delicious black vibro / dildo with a inflatable girth (my addition) to slowly pump it up to increase the stretching effect on her as I lick her clit and taste her pussy as I work the big black vibro in and out of her. this new direction and Loving Whispers directing her desire is sending her ultra horny and wants the big black vibro and my tongue ALL THE TIME. Shes now exploring black men fantasy with my helping mind and hand THIS IS FUCKING AMAZING STUFF HEP, I REALY WISH ID FOUND THIS STUFF MUCH EARLIER. SIMPLE SO SIMPLE AND SO EFFECTIVE!

My wife usually goes to bed after many red wines. Will this interfere or help with the whisper suggestions?

I am back from a few days abroad. The first day (sunday) my gf was laying down on her stomach with her legs a little bit wide. I layed next to her and stroked the 8" bbc dildo on her legs, closer and closer to her pussy. Later she put her ass a little bit up so I could caress the dildo around her wet lips. I asked her if she would like it inside; she agreed. First slowly, and in a few minutes it slides completely in her pussy. I fucked her hard with the dildo while she was moaning. In a few minutes I even couldn't see if it was a black dildo or a white dildo because she was creaming as hell :)

During our stay abroad I couldn't whisper because she wasn't sleeping deep. Today I will start again.

That sounds so hot mikewhitey lovely idea - how are you finding the inflatable vibrator / dildo type?

tincanman there isn't a reason in the world why this won't strengthen the response - with this effect you can expect to go in much sooner and with force / sound volume of LW methods. Same thing goes for sleeping tablets and the depressive effect on the nervous system giving a clear and open ride straight to the unconscious / subconscious

Beautiful stuff SquirtKing delicious - were you doing fantasy IR talk too - or is this still to come? All good.

I don't know what happens but she used the bbc dildo today by herself! She said she was creaming all over it :D

Mmmm lovely
 

leak
 

Hep send you the link on the vibro BUT shes burst the inflatable bit LOL shes been going so heavy on it so may be Ill stick back to solid and buy a new thick black one

Squirtking loving your progress too and mirrors mine its so fucking hot

Snuggums wakes up during LW. first time I didn't say anything as she didn't second time she ask what I said I lied and told her I said I love you she replied in kind. Last night she woke up again and asked what I repeated "I need you to tell me you want to fucked by a big black cock". she said nothing and went back to sleep. she hasn't mentioned it this morning I wonder if she remembers ?

damnedest thing
 

Hi Snuggums that's the funniest and thankfully the best thing about this method is that even when people appear to momentarily come out of sleep because it is just that just coming out of sleep that it gets left behind in the unconscious to gather interest.

Mind maybe saying things just a touch quieter for you as your explaining her light sleeping might be a good idea at least in the short term until her unconscious gets to associate bedtime with this new behavior and processing it fully.
I've had mine talk back to me in her sleep quite a few times and its a shock - also moaning and groaning too.

So anyway my experienced guess is that she doesn't remember although she may have some remembrance of waking up.

And just to add one time I was going at this stuff saying her with big black men with bbc and she appears to wake thumps me playfully on the shoulder with a groggy sly smile and went straight back to full sleep. NO MEMORY in morning. Another time I asked her to raise her hand if she wanted to sleep with black men in her triangular loving marriage to me and she raises her hand off the bed directly following this suggestion.

LOL I know this probably seems crazy to people BUT having done much research on hypnosis and the unconscious I am constantly amazed at its power and possibilities.

Are you in the fucking neon sign business or are you starving for attention?

And yet
 

Lol and yet you decided to 'advertise' for me. Look because this stuff is important to get out there because it works. Because many hubs are stuck not knowing how to advance. Because many people fear legitimate adverse responses and On a iPhone display it also shows up better on the screen which I'm using most of the time as I flit around for work. Because it makes it that much more readable for me.
So because all that do you think I should weight more or less heavily to showing and helping couples reaching sexual fulfilment.

It's hardly self promotion and yes is a promotion of a effective methodology that can be used so effectively with whatever else the hub is doing.

You know I've come across just so many people who this has helped and continues helping that when and if someone whines about something procedural like format size color and spelling they can really show themselves up and what's great is realising any and all of us can change your behaviour. Now I'll be waiting for the normally constructive replies and questions that can make this forum the positive vibrant one it is.

Hello all.

I decided to go ahead and post on this after spending much time reading, learning and experimenting with these procedures on my girlfriend. She is one of those rather faithful to one man types with no visible desire to change that. Until now anyway.

I started out rather slow on this because I didn't want to alert her about what I was doing. The longer I went soft voicing her during sleep the more I was noticing that she was responding to it and the happier I was becoming because of it.

This is amazing the way it works. Recently I tried a little test on her while we were in the car. I seen a black guy waiting to cross the road as we pulled closer to him. I said, easy there pencil dick. Don't walk across there yet and she said pencil dick? Why would you say that? I said I don't know, that's probably what he is. She said ha, I doubt it. You maybe but I doubt he is.

I was surprised at what I just heard and she actually caught me by surprise so much that I wanted to keep the conversation going but I drew a blank on what to say. But I do know that she would never had said that without these procedures and it is only just beginning.

It does work and it gives many of us the snowballs chance that we never before thought we had. I am truly enjoying this as I try new things to test her to see what type of reactions she has. I will update soon on this and thanks a bunch for this invaluable info.

Just adding
 

HI DWMwants2OBEY I've answered you at the end of this extended 3 posts and quoted you hoping that I havent hijacked your open honesty with us in exploring this super cool LW methods.



Lifted below 3x posts from another forum and think it offers people some general and useful advice that I think are useful and run along side the LW methods.
It has some insights that really mirror your pdf.




How It’s Done

More and more the question arises: “How do I turn my wife into a slut for black cock?”

I suppose it’s not unexpected on a site devoted to interracial sex between white women and black men and certainly, as one who has some experience in the matter, it’s only natural it would often be directed towards me. And yet, before I began this little hobby (for lack of a better word) I would never have realized just how many other guys like me there were out there. I suppose all of us, when this temptation first arises, wonder if we are “weird” or “perverted” - probably, we are. But if there is anything we are discovering in the age of internet sexuality, it’s that a lot more of us (men AND women) are sexual deviants than anyone would have guessed.

What can explain a white man’s desire to see his sweet and loving wife, especially if she’s a very conservative “good girl”, turn into a total slut who’s addicted to sex with well hung black guys? Certainly, some men have a submissive bent and they find there thrill in all the practices that are associated lately with the term “cuckold” - denial of the wife’s affection or sex with her, humiliation and ridicule, even sissyfication. But those activities are a clear minority among the men who have the fetish. Most of us guys who are turned on by watching their wife go slut are not at all into the notion of being thought of, or treated as, a lesser man. So what is it? I don’t think there is any one answer. One common theme is the idea of seeing a woman revel in her sexuality the way a man does by nature. Another popular aspect is that nothing appeals to a latently dominate man like watching the ultimate submission of a white woman to a powerful man.

In any case, it is not my purpose, in these articles, to explain why the fetish seems to be exploding in popularity (except as it relates to methodology), rather, my purpose is to provide a how-to guide for the man who wants to do what I did - take a good girl and turn her into a total slut.

Let me first look at some very preliminary, foundational, considerations. First, if you think your wife would be shocked, outraged, and disgusted by the idea - don’t be so sure. Certainly if you are ham-fisted in introducing the idea you may get a strong negative reaction. But I have found, the longer I have investigated this fetish, that women in general are far more open to both interracial sex, and to seriously liberalizing there sexuality, then most husbands imagine.

Second, you are far better off, at least initially, if you are dealing with a woman with submissive tendencies. It’s not necessary that she be aware that she is a natural sub, but women who are naturally submissive are strongly attracted to the mythos of the dominate, aggressive, black male. This can only work to the advantage of a man trying to make the conversion.

Third, if you are reading this and saying “I don’t really want her to be a slut, I’d just like to see her explore a bit on the side” - my advice to you is: be VERY careful! I admit I have no scientific survey to rely on, but it has been my observation that MOST women DON’T just “get a little” and say “that was nice”. Rather, the great majority of them find they have boarded a runaway train in which her desires, and her experiences, carry her away to places she would never have thought she’d go. Once you get her started, you may totally lose control of the situation. Women, if you are reading this, the same applies. I would never ever want to discourage a woman who wanted to go black - but it’s only fair to warn you that for some women, especially sub women, this hobby can quickly turn into a real addiction which takes you to places you never thought you’d go. I, like most all men in this lifestyle, sincerely hope you go there anyway. I think all women should give in to the opportunity to become sluts.- but you have been fairly warned.

Fourth, and deriving from that, guys - take this to heart: be very sure this is what you want. There is literally NO predicting where this road will take your good girl. Depending on her appearance, her opportunities, and the dominance of the man or men she hooks up with, almost nothing is off the table. Can you imagine your wife being picked up by a stranger in a bar, or being gang banged? I’m sure you can. But can you imagine that stranger keeping her all weekend and dropping her off Sunday in full view of the neighbors? Can you imagine that gang bang being thugs who get her high gift her with a nice obvious spade tat to “mark her”? Can you imagine her stripping? Or floating around the net in an amateur porn video? Can you imagine her so intoxicated she would give in to her lovers desire to make her pregnant with a black baby or even whore her out? Some guys find these possibilities exciting, others find them terrifying, but be warned - they ARE possibilities. The nature of porn, and sexuality in general, for many people, is that of a progressive addiction.
Just as some people can smoke pot and never want a better high, while others are in a constant escalation looking for the “more and better” thrill. . . .just as some can gamble a few dollars on the weekend ball game or the occasional lottery ticket and be content while others crave the “high” of greater and greater risk. . . even so for many women and couples, this lifestyle is one of constantly seeking the more extreme experience. And as with drugs, or gambling, or any other potentially addictive activity - you cannot know ahead of time whether you, or her, are one of those people. Look in the mirror and face up to this possibility: you may get more than you bargained for. If you can’t handle that risk, don’t do it.

Fifth, and finally, recognize this for what it is, do not practice self deception. This is manipulation, at the least, brainwashing at worst. I have concluded, in my own heart, that manipulating my wife into being that which will give her more happiness and satisfaction, and make our marriage even stronger (and it has done all of these) is not immoral. I am, in a sense, manipulating her into recognizing and accepting her true nature - even though she did not recognize it was there. But it IS manipulation, and the more effort it takes to bring out the slut in your woman, the more you are manipulating her. Some of the more extreme techniques are, for all intents and purposes, brainwashing. If you are going to do this, you might as well be honest with yourself about what you are doing.

In part two, I’ll look at laying the groundwork for the mission you have before you.

Adding 2
 

There are some things that, in my opinion, make it easier to steer your woman into a receptive state of mind concerning becoming a slut for BBC. Part of it is natural temptation, part of it is the attraction of the “taboo”, part of it is the undeniable desire to feel sexy, attractive, and desired. There is also the issue of trust and security.

To emphasize any one of these while neglecting the other could have less than desirable results. To take them in reverse order, you can’t do anything in this area unless your woman trusts you implicitly. Her first instinct is going to be to assume you are looking for a loophole to have an affair of your own, she’s going to question your loyalty to her and for any woman, but especially a sub, that’s going to threaten her feeling of security. You will be wise to give a great deal of attention to reassuring her in this area. This goes hand in hand with framing your hints toward the idea of swinging in terms which play to anyone’s natural desire to be found attractive. I know in our situation, more ground was covered when she became willing to believe that she really was sexy and desirable - hot - than by any other single factor. It’s more important to make her feel hot than almost anything else that will be suggested to you henceforth. Once you have that pair of factors firmly in place, and this should be done as much as is possible BEFORE you ever approach the idea of swinging or IR activity, THEN you can begin to execute the more direct program.

What you will do, from now on, is to identify, help her to recognize, and feed her desire to break free from the limitations that society has placed on her and experience the height of sexuality. The breaking of societal rules (in its various forms) is the natural excitement of challenging “taboos”. Whether it’s public nudity, bisexuality, or any of a hundred other “kinks” - among which IR sex, and promiscuity are certainly listed - all of us, male or female, find a certain thrill in defying those limits. Your job is to develop a hunger in your woman to free herself from that bondage. Further, you have to channel that broad desire in the direction of fucking black men, if that’s what you desire to see her do.

In part three, I’ll finally get down to the brass tacks of methodology that has worked for many husbands before you.



Okay then, this one will probably be brief because most of it is stating the obvious. You lay the groundwork on this subtly, At first you do it just a little at a time. First of all, if you do not talk during foreplay - shame on you! Get started. Whenever your mouth is not in action on some part of her body, by manipulating her mind. Tell her how hot and sexy she is, how every man would love the chance to fuck her (if course language shocks her, use some euphemism to start (do NOT say “make love”....that’s what people IN love do). Say “get with you” or some such to start but you want to move her towards the coarser stuff. Remember, a key element here is to play to her ego. The more you can get her to see herself as a sexually deliverable person, the better. If you can get her to respond vocally, that’s a very good, but not essential, element. Get her to the point where she begs, demands, to be fucked (this involves LONG foreplay sometimes so man-up. One good play here is to take her to the edge through foreplay and not let her have satisfaction until she begs to be fucked - in those words - and when she does, ask her “Who do you want to fuck you?” and see if you can get her to say “anybody!” This is not essential, but it shows you have an advanced case.

Is your lady accustomed to porn? If not, this may be a tough hurdle for you - especially if you have a really “good girl” who thinks it’s degrading. Start her then, with very subtle, soft core stuff. She’s a woman and she will react...if she doesn’t, you probably have a woman who can’t be a slut ever. Escalate it as quickly as possible to the harder stuff but strive mightily to stick to the “amateur” look porn - the stuff that sledges to be involving the MILF next door. Try to avoid the plastic tit doped-up looking girls with skyscraper shoes and huge tats for now. Why? Because you are not just trying to turn her on for a quick fuck, you are trying to change how she sees herself. And as you spend many hours telling her how hot and desirable she is, and she also spends time seeing what hot and desirable wives do....the two will mingle in her mind on a subconscious level. Of course, it goes without saying that the male population of these movies show, over time, increasingly be black men.
An important aspect of this...when black guys start showing up, begin to incorporate that in your foreplay. I assume you are pushing her buttons while the movie is playing (if you aren’t, you are insane) and when you see a black guy on screen, you comment in subtle ways - “Isn’t she loving that big black rod” or “he looks like he’s pounding her good with the big black dick” or whatever...but always emphasizing the word black. If he’s hitting a white girl, you must of course, mention that too - “mmmmm, that little white girl is loving that big black dick in her pussy, huh?”


At some point, when you ask her questions during foreplay, you want to find the chance to say something like “Did you ever wonder what it would feel like to have a big black cock in you?” or “you ever wonder if it’s true what they say?” and when she asks what, you of course give her the size myth or brag on how good they are or even the “once you go black...” cliche.
By the time this stage is done, you should be regular viewers of exclusively interracial porn, you should never have a sex session in which you don’t call to her mind, at her horniest point, the images she say of black dicks and white women, and you should be able to get her to at least allude to a curiosity or a turn on about the subject. If you haven’t by now, you should introduce the thickest black dildo you think she can handle. Forget length, if it’s at least 8" it’s fine....but be sure it’s fat. The combined effect of foreplay, good IR porn, and a fat black dildo are gold. She should, it goes without saying, NEVER see a white dick on film by now.

Finally, if she’s a drinker, it would not hurt to lightly associate drinking with this stage since some “good girls” need the mental “excuse” to play that comes from blaming it on liquor. So it’s good to have the association made.

Adding 3
 

The next stage is a continuation of the last, except that you begin to take things outside the bed. You should, of course, already be trying to keep her sexual energies maxed out. If you haven’t at least TRIED to fuck her on the kitchen table by now, then step it up. Now you begin to take it outside the house. Encourage her to show more skin - “after all,” you testify, “anyone as hot as you are ought to take advantage of it”...to the extent she does, she again is reminded of herself being a hot, sensual woman, and not just “wife and mom”. Another big advantage of this is that you point out to her guys who are checking her out. They should ALWAYS be black guys, and lie if you have to. Again, it’s critical she feel desirable and specifically desirable to black guys. You follow up on this be asking her things during foreplay like “Did you see that UPS guy checking your ass? He wants you baby! (She protests probably) Nothing, I just saw him checking you out...I bet you’d love to see what brown can do for you, huh?” (Big smile and wink). Try to get her to confess she had a thought of wondering about a black guy as often as you can.

Assuming this is successful (if she’s not seriously ordering you to “knock it off with that black guy shit cause I don’t like that!” it’s been successful) now is the time you seriously begin planting the swinger idea in her head. You should be careful here to make it ALWAYS about HER. “I’d love to watch another man fuck you” NOT “We should start swinging” - she may hem and haw on this decision for a long time....just keep pushing the buttons you see working and making sure as much as possible her sexual thinking is subconsciously associated with fucking blacks.


Now, you are nearing the moment of truth. She is going to arrive at a point in her own mind, though she may or may not reveal it to you, where she is too intrigued by the concept to NOT try it..I say this because the woman who is adamantly never ever going to has already gotten off the bus before you get to this point. If a woman is still playing along, she wants it, she will do it, she just hasn’t realized it yet. But somewhere in this stage, she is going to come to that realization. If she keeps that choice to herself, you may find that she presses ahead and follows through with it without your participation - especially if she works outside the home and has that sort of flexibility. You should be prepared to deal with that.

On the other hand, she may tell you - probably the first time in the heat of passion - that she is willing. In fact, she may affirm her willingness during foreplay or sex several times, then deny it later, before she reaches the point that she will tell you in a non-sexual situation that she is willing. At this point, the trail diverges in several directions. There is no one specific course once she says yes. For some couples, you go out to a club, employ some alcohol, and let nature take it’s course. For others, you methodically solicit interest on line and carefully screen those who have interest and meet for a discreet hotel encounter. Still others take a vacation to some distant city where she can “let her hair down”. There are also swing clubs, the staged seduction, and several other variations. No one method is right for every couple because circumstances vary too greatly from location to location and situation to situation.

On a final note, you should be considering by this point just what the final outcome is that you are going for. Understanding, of course, that it may get out of your control and take on a life of it’s own, it’s still good for you to have a “vision” of what your end game is. For many couples, once she has her first, the mission is accomplished. On the other extreme are couple who are not just looking for “a little extra spice” but seek to entirely redefine who she is sexually. If you tend towards the latter end of that spectrum, it may be that it comes natural to her to be ever-expanding her sexual adventurousness, or it may be that you still have a great deal of manipulation ahead of you - it all depends on her personality, her previous conditioning, and how extreme the change is you want to make. In any case, you need to exhibit considerable patience. Many women have a very deep conditioning in the mental habits of a “good girl” and as much as they want to be free of those restraints, it does not always come easy.

Good luck to you and to her on your journey, and if you have SPECIFIC questions, feel free to ask in this thread.

Hi DWMwantstoOBEY, Really didn't want to hijack your reply so figured moving it to the end of my copy and paste session!

Let me be the first to congratulate you on this success so far and where it is your heading.

My wife has always been too faithful to me and in some ways repressed or may be conservative and then along came these methods and now since have hit me square on the confused organ I call a brain. I am still totally taken a back at how far and fast weve come.
Are you locking in the use of you saying pencil dick to her constantly thinking about BBC when you say it and are you encouraging her to say it to you and thinking about BBC when she does.

As to really enjoying this right back at ya because its really opened the lid on her exploring with me firstly using big black vibrator on her and hopefully soon with my motivation the ultimate.

Thats the other thing is seeing her reactions all the time to different over nights LW stimulating her desires as well as laying there giving these suggestions and pulling my cock keeps me on edge enough and desiring enough not to finish up early.

But I would say to everyone here that you got to take occasions out and sometimes give it a little rest. I think it helps to then further go in kind of bursts. Always giving yourself a breather and sometimes going days without and always picking those days where shes tired. Worst thing is trying to do it on a restless night or one where shes had a good few nights sleep followed by easy working.

Welcome to LW
 

Welcome to LW - dwm_Wants2Obey_BM_WF.

Absolutely right to start slow and softly and a good thing for guys to remember.

Hope you have much fun using the techniques and methods.

Hey mikewhitey thats one hell of a good thread and I know who it was by too and what board it was off. Sad end to that place what with charging for forum for people having entered their very own content over the years. I got banned for raising my head with this final salvo
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Wow XXXXXX just out of interest are you the PR advisors for BP ?

You plainly and simply lied to all. You are now attempting to cover
over the lie with rationalizations designed to justify the
Indefensible and consequently your arrogance and neurotic behavior
will show no bounds to stifling ability to allow reason, common sense and being honest with yourselves and us.

I also imagine you will seek to censor where you think you can get away without being largely noticed.
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Of course it was removed immediately. Anyway enough history!

Thanks for the warm welcome guys. Let me thank you again for this schooling and the wonderful info on how to implement these procedures. Although I see them working more each time I use them I am trying not to overdo it or to use them at times that are not the best fit for them.

So far it has worked out well as she has not awoke and ask me what the hell I was saying or doing. But she has awoke the next mornings very creamy. My trigger word is definitely on the mark as I have watched her reactions after using the trigger word and was very pleased with what I seen.

I slipped in a porn video recently that had white on white as the first showing and the next two were IR BM/WF. The first one didn't do much for her and was without the trigger but the second one was triggered by me as I began rubbing that clit for her. I wasn't really watching the vid but focusing more on her clit. Every so often I would glance up to see if she was watching it and every time she was to my utter excitement.

I think I could move towards a few questions for her about IR sex now but I am going to press on with what I have been doing that is working for a while longer first.

The last thing I want to do is jump the gun and screw this up.

Interesting thread. I don't need to get my wife interested in fucking black guys (she already fucks me) but I like the results some are having in getting their wives to want to fuck more often. I wonder if this would work in getting the wife to consider another woman? (I don't by that crap about sexuality being "fixed"). The wife is conservative to the extreme (I definitely can't use the "introduce porn" technique) but still this all sounds interesting. Anyway, good luck to all trying the method!

Hi tnblackstallion
 

Hi tnblackstallion

I get the angle your coming from tnblackstallion and there's no reason to suppose its unattainable.
At a slight different angle its something I'm working into my wifes LW to see her with other women in a bi-sex way and with black men at the same time.

Shes never previously showed any interest in other women PRIOR to this but since, now has talked about "If she ever did do a woman" two women have come up now as candidates (both celebs) and therefore unattainable BUT shows something is shifting in her.

I really think that the natural slut is there in perhaps all women and I think this is the most likely set of methods that can begin to tease and tweak it out.

When I think of anyone's psychology I see a mass of knots and especially when they have that 'conservative' or religious edge those knots can be imagined as pretty tight and needing a lot of picking and work and as you begin seeing those knots loosening well its a great feeling of accomplishment and further knowing that they can be unravelled.

Good luck on your own special project - that's what I like about this stuff is how it can be put to such diverse use.

Hep



dwm_Wants2Obey_BM_WF

totally agree you've got the right attitude for the task and lets face it hubbies know their wives better than anyone else - so in view of these methods can know what can be achieved at what pace and when and how. I hold a general view that baby steps or small steps or seeing it as stepping stones across a river are more appropriate for the task and yes there's exceptions to every rule BUT its a good guiding principle.

This is good stuff Hep and Mike. I try to glean as much as I can from these forums to help me progress with my wife. Been working many years and from reading this I guess I have made progress. My wife has been a tough one in this area. She is religious, does not drink, and will not watch porn. Though over the years I have helped her become much more open sexually. I have hit on some things, such as telling her how hot she looks, which by the way, she is very hot. Many, many times telling her during foreplay and sex, how beautiful she would look with a black cock in her pussy. During those times I've always noticed she would immediately start grinding her pussy into me harder and faster, as well as sometimes saying she wants a black cock. I always tell her she could get any guy she wants, which she always replies " yeah right". She has never been confident about her looks and sexuality. Her first hubby cheated on her many times and I think that plays in to all of this. I still think deep down she wants to try bbc. Really tough to figure out which way to go. Sorry for rambling on

Prpl4wf
 

Hi Prpl4wf,

Does your wife recognise any of her own issues. Has she ever suggested that she knows she is bound by her past or alternatively does she realise she lacks confidence.
The reason I ask is that there are self hypnosis audio files that may help her to push past confidence issues.
Though like I've said on the PDF'ed thread linked at the outset of this thread here - confidence of body for women is a major wide spread hangup and no matter whether in others minds her being hot etc that unless they see themselves that way again it is a issue your having to face to overcome.
I'll drop the links of the self hypnosis audio files if their of use encouraging wives to listen. I'll have to search back through to find them.

Self help audio hypnosis
 

Ok guys here's the self help audio hypnosis file links from the original PDF document linked at start of this thread.

If folks haven't taken the time then it's a good idea to read the entire PDF. Now I know how long it is and you can know something this well worth doing is worth doing well.

And to all those other guys who I know are in the same boat - these are links to a external share folder which took me the best part of an afternoon to upload to - downloading is much faster!! - in fact you can download them all at once - unlike many other share sites!

These are all general purpose confidence building files for our good ladies - and all these my own wife has used to increasing her energy and confidence. She's found these tremendously effective and I can attest to these facts!

http://www.4shared.com/file/49004259/c865c684/Buildselfesteem.html?dirPwdVerified=4099e86e

http://www.4shared.com/file/49004260/9a942de3/developselfconfidence.html?dirPwdVerified=4099e86e

http://www.4shared.com/file/49004262/749a4ccf/energyincreasemotivation.html?dirPwdVerified=4099e 86e

http://www.4shared.com/file/49004266/73f788d6/thinkpositively.html?dirPwdVerified=4099e86e

http://www.4shared.com/file/49004264/9df9e9fa/Loseweightnow.html?dirPwdVerified=4099e86e

http://www.4shared.com/file/49004265/eafed96c/permanentnaturalweightloss.html?dirPwdVerified=409 9e86e

All the audio mp3's are in compressed winRAR format - this is for stopping the 4shared site from viewing the file names and therefore shielding against removal. All are locked so that they cannot be maliciously altered and all are code verified for the same reason.