Hep,

What other chat rooms would you reccomend that have similar discussions? I enjoy this forum and others but welcome learning and listening to interracial BBC discussions. Its helpful as I work on this aspect of the training.

Thanks

Jacko, I am not sure if you are wanting chat rooms or other forums like this one. If you want to chat direct with others then you will find all types at the Dark Cavern chat room. You can watch videos and leave comments at the Black Cock Church website. Maybe I won't get slammed for posting other websites here but the common goal is to push the lifestyle and both of those sites do that.

Well I've been working on this for quite awhile now & i can say that I'm having to work through some things with her.

First is the notion that sex is dirty & not to be talked about. She was taught this growing up, & I see now how deep rooted childhood lessons can effect people.

Second, she tells me "size dosent matter to me". (I know she is saying this because she does not want to hurt me) We have been using a 10" dildo about once a month for about a year. At first her attitude was, "I'm doing this only because YOU like it" but in time, she has gotten to the point where she has really violent orgasms when we play like this & now she LOVES doing it. I recognize that she is TELLING me one thing, ("Size Dont matter") not wanting to hurt me, but her body is telling a completly different story.(Wanting a bigger cock) She absolutely loves getting it deep & hard and begs for it deeper while I lick her pussy. I know her well enough to know that once I get her here, she will love being fucked hard by a big black cock & its my hope to someday have her a regular "Friend" she can count on to fuck her in a way I cant. The key for her is going to be making it HER idea. ;) To answer your question hep, no, no habit of "Zoning out" Sorry about rambling, just thought I'd give a little background info.

Durfer yes working through this kind of thing is hard going - my wife had religious based issues around this kind of thing that you've experienced.

Consider subverting that energy of shame and channeling it through LW with the use of acknowledging her past by whispering to her that she knows and accepts the faults of her imposed past and the unhealthy shame she was made to feel then and as she loves you accepts the need in her the deep down needing to be a naturally submissive slut. Now accepting she can be a naturally submissive slut.

(being made to feel she can be the submissive slut allows her to giving permission to herself to being 'taken' - to accept she is not in control and therefore can accept what happens is outside of the needing of that pasts attempt at control through shame - so in a sense is not her responsibility) This is part of a much larger desensitization program where you deepen desire, bring out fantasy play and using dildo on her. All that time edging her inevitably towards the goal - BUT it might take you longer than others.


I'd serious;y consider that using LW you may need to free up her past by working on this sense of shame she has.
I'd like you to notice that shame is different from guilt - shame is a outside psychological force imposed by others onto a person and that guilt is a sense of knowing when we've done something wrong from within a result of our 'moral' compass.

On one level size probably doesn't matter that much BUT when seen in the light of the imposition of shame on her suggests this is more to do with that same early teaching of sex is dirty so that we can infer that the larger the cock is the more dirty it will be, the more pleasure it could give the more dirty it will be - seen in the context of the warped teaching of sex is dirty we can see how this again holds a certain idiotic ideological hold. Thats not to mean your wife is anything other than intelligent BUT shes just had a heap of shit to deal with from her past!
The fact that she gets off on that is a GOOD SIGN and shows her rebellion against that old BS by quietly reworking it into sexplay!

I was interested in knowing about whether she had day dreams because of what you said earlier makes me think she may have particularly strong susceptibility to LW and 'proper' hypnosis.

I'll happily chat by pm or email much more if wishing to offer further insight.

Hephaestus, Tony.


Jacko sent you a pm reply respecting this forum as it seems good and wouldn't want to plug any links for other places on the thread.

Warning. If your wife is too conservative do NOT try this. My wife faked being sleep, told me the next day I creeped her out and is now barely talking to me. A word to the wise.

That's sad tnblack sadly it's more to do with light sleeping than too conservative as expressed throughout the whole of the thread light sleeping is a danger for this and whispering as quietly as possible is the only deterrent.
The protection is the talking in your sleep so that if someone woke up you faking sleep then waking up and asking them a little angrily what their talking about and damn I was having such a good dream.
The light sleeping would have led her to being aware and testing you the next night and that's what it is the light sleeping is the issue here.

Imagine guys that have super conservative wives but have good levels of normal sleep. Depriving them of the chance to resolve internal conflicts between outward controlling conservative and inner slut is offering something much greater the chance to succeed seeing White wives in the arms of black lovers with loving whispers helping hands.

Yeah, I dont really have that to worry about (getting caught) as my girl already knows how much I would love to see her on her hands & knees getting her pussy and/or mouth filled with a 10" black cock. I have told her as much. She says no, as most women usually do, asks why I would want to share her, (dont you love me?) ect., I have told her repeatedly that the biggest turn on for me in this is watching the expression on her face, listening to the sound of her purring (as I call it) voice as she is being streched & touched in places she has never felt before (places I just physically cannot go) & that its not about the person she is with, but its ALL about her enjoyment. Seeing her being satisfied is what gets me off.
Hep, I know you are exactly right in that this will take more time than most, but I honestly believe I can & will get her there as I firmly believe (after knowing her for 25 years), that deep in her heart she would love this & wants it. She just cant seem to bring herself to admit it to herself. Once that happens, and whenever it happens, I think the whole thing will progress easier & faster. She is already refering to "black" things with an Impish grin if you know what I mean. your observation on "The bigger the cock the more dirty it is I think is spot on. Also your shame versus guilt is a point i have not thought about. All I know is that the only thing i care most about is getting her released from her inhabitions. You are also correct in that i have had a plethera of shit to work through with this girl as her parents really screwed her up as a child.

Hi Durfer
 

Hi Durfer,

I feel for you with the screwed up shit; mine falls in the same category too. Making for some real past pain with getting her to think about anything to do with other men.

Interestingly it doesnt seem to have ultimately inhibited her with this LW stuff as it worked under the surface and brought out that slut despite her past hangups. In someways it seems to have enhanced the dirty slut aspect for her and I think Heps got it right about this becoming a way for her to bypass responsibility by surrendering to the idea of being a submissive slut. We re still at the dildo and fantasy IR play stage but I can see this going all the way to her really enjoying herself with the real thing. I am using a inflatable black dildo on her to keep her cunt beyond the capacity of my cock for the few occasions she now lets me in and I have taken to telling her to refuse my white cock in preference for accepting the real black superior cock and the black dildo with me only being allowed to lick her cunt to prepare her for sex sessions.

Tnblackstallion sorry to hear your problems . All I can say is that LW worked and works for me but my wife is a relatively good night sleeper. If it wasnt for LW I wouldnt be where I am now with what Ive acheved using it. Id still be as fucking frustrated as I ever had been with getting no where with no idea and knowing she wouldnt even think about using any kind of dildo or talk about ANYTHING to do with sex. This has been a 100% turn around and I wont ever let up on it and my wife has no idea that I wanted this I just couldnt bridge the subject with her and now its her idea her IR fantasy and her desire to being filled up and telling me she loves the feeling of being stretched out with that big black inflatable dildo and goes into fantasy talk with me going through scenes of black men wanting her taking her and using her sub slut white body. Thats in the space of 2 months . My advice is if shes a real light sleeper forget it to anyone with the idea. But I tell you I wont be forgetting the idea this year next year or ever. LW ROCKS!!!!!!!!

A womans birth right
 

I'm not making light of it and being serious I think there's a lot of us out there with wives and girlfriends that have more than their share of sex hangups from warped authority figures. We've got a support group going right here and didn't even really know it. I guess if our girls had a entirely healthy outlook on sex we probably wouldn't be here using this Loving Whispers to freeing them up and yeah I totally agree and finding myself nodding Durfer about everything your saying. I know people from the outside might find what we say odd about really loving our wives so much that we want to bring out that best in them that beautiful slutty nature that as far as I'm concerned is every womans birth right!

Don't let this completely stop you from trying LW but instead go with a different plan so to speak. Explore all your options on her sleeping habits. Such as, when she has had very little sleep or has worked extremely hard and very tired. Those times would present a possibility for you.

I think it would be wise for you though to run a test before going through with any attempts of using the procedures considering your recent situation.. For example, try saying her name several times in the exact loudness of your voice that you want to use and see if she wakes up or answers you. If she does you just wanted to say I love you. If she doesn't then slip in a quite but quickie round of LW and then be prepared to act as if you were having a dream if she wakes up. These types of back up options are essential to have ready and waiting to implement in case an uh oh situation were to arise.

There are many options and different plans that you can explore and put into action. If one presents a problem always have a plan B for that one that will cover for it if something goes wrong. Thinking up these different plans and options can be done at any time while you are doing whatever. Driving, mowing the grass,working on your car, watching TV. You will be amazed at what you can come up with if you just do some thinking on it.


Here are some of the main keys to success with this system.

Preparation: You must have the preparation complete on your part to have different plans for different situations already thought up and be ready to use them. Think about the different things that could possibly go wrong and have a plan ready in case it does.

Testing The Waters: Experiments that can be utilized to test the situation for a safe venture is important. Her sleeping habits are one area. Before doing any whispers of conversion on her try some whispers of a different style first to see if she responds. You can use whatever you like first that wouldn't raise a flag if she did wake up. Maybe, Honey, Sarah called you today and I forgot to tell you. That is safe and will test her alertness.

The Main Plans And Their Backup Options: Do some thinking on these. Have a main plan of action then a backup plan or option in case of trouble. I can't really stress this enough.If you try something and it backfires on you then not having that second option to switch to can leave you hung out there to dry. Not a good feeling. This will work for you if you have it in your mind what to do and are able to do it quickly to steer the situation away from trouble if need be.

Guys, you must be ready to counter any problems that may arise and your mind is waiting to go to work for you in finding these different options. So put it to work for you and you will be pleasantly surprised at what you can come up with and even more so at the results if and when you have to use them.

OK DWM_wants2obey thanks for condensing everything Heps already said in his pdf file.

What really gets me is that you havent thanked Hep once for this method and it seems to me like your trying to take ownership for it by not admitting thanks or where you got the ideas from. You certainly gone out of your way to say this stuff is great LW is great without admitting who came up with it. Im sure im not the only one thats noticed this pattern.

Im all for spreading the good word of LW but your posts seem to be trying to sideline the guy Hephaestus /Hep who invented it.
Bit like trying to hijack the idea and pretend hey guys look at this Ive just thought about.

I personally think tnblackstallion has a good point if your wife is a light sleeper to the point she ll wake up and listen then this idea is too dangerous and I respect everything Hep says on the pdf that youve edited and put together again here because these are eventualitys we might all have to think about.

Can you just do us all a small favor and reckognize Hep as coming up with this stuff and everytime you copy out of the pdf that you reckognize where your taking that information from.
im going to apologize to Hep now for sidetracking the LW but I got to say I really smell a rat when I see someone constantly come across as a authority and not admit and thank and point out where their getting the information.

I don't think you get the jist of what happened. I left out an important detail. She told me that she thought she had heard me saying weird stuff, but she wasn't sure. So she faked me out. She was breathing heavy like she was sleeping hard. I made sure of that. But she wasn't. If your wife isn't already open somewhat to stuff like porn (at least ok with you watching it) then you're playing with fire. Better to marry a freak in the first place if that's what you want.

I'm still busy with love whisper. unfortunately I did not have time to do that every night, but I am trying to whisper at least 3 or 4 times a week. That is enough hopefully?

I didn't try to figure out if it works, I didn't use the triggerword yet. I will first whisper more and more the next few days and try to see if it works next week.

Some extra info: as we had a lot of threesomes mmf, she sayed she want to try some new things. So I sayed: a bbc :)

At this moment I whisper: I start first to check if she is a sleep, so I whisper: I love you (three times) If the breathing doesn't change, I will start.
First I say, [name] listen to what I am gonna say, concentrate yourself.
[name] if I say the word ***** you want to fuck a bbc"

tnblackstallion this has got nothing to do changing a conservative wife , mines a testament to this and looking around other guys are changing their conservative wives. So I see what Heps saying is that its down to having a wife whose a very light sleeper. I know you can then say well if she werent so conservative then it wouldnt be such a big deal but look again I say my wife i bet is every bit as conservative as yours and yet here I am making the changes. But my wife isnt a light sleeper so I can get the success using this LW.

As dwm points out and sorry if I came on too strong dwm, he points out from the pdf that whispering things that couldnt possibly raise her to anger is appropriate such as "I love you" if youd started with this and not done any ass touching and whatever else you started with then may be it wouldnt have got to this , but again i gotta point out if your wife is a light sleeper then dont play with this its playing with fire but if your wife is conservative and she sleeps well normally LIKE MINE then theres nothing to worry about. Ive brought mine on so far its amazing and without LW I wouldnt be any where.
The only one other than your wife that knows how well she sleeps is you so if shes a light sleeper just forget it.


Good luck squirtking all i can is its working for me!

Hey hep,
I know from reading your posts that 2 to 4 weeks is the average time to start seeing any real results, also, I know you say that more often is better, so I was wondering, how long should the LW "sessions" Be? I've been anywhere from an hour to 2 hours depending on how it goes. still havnt tried the triggerword yet as I want to see a little more evidence that its working. I believe it is, I'd just like to see some more proof before pressing on. Mikey, I would like your thoughts on this as well. Thanks guys. I really appreciate having someone to talk to that fully understands why this is subject is such a turn on to me.

My whisper sessions are approx 10 minutes till 30 minutes, depending on how it goes.

Fine. It works for you great. I laid off the "ass touching" (I was mainly using that to make sure she was asleep anyway) and did the "I love you" part. The result? She told me the next morning "Don't tell me you love me because anymore because I know you don't really mean it". Maybe you've got it all figured out. Maybe you won't get burned. Maybe you will. Play with fire all you want. It's your divorce. Like I said, she said that the first couple of times she wasn't sure I had actually said what she thought I had said. So apparently it got through on the sub conscious level, but the conscious still picked up on it. Anyway, do what you want.

Does she drink alcohol? If yes, let her drink 1 or 2 glasses. I think she will sleep more deep.

It's worthy of a warning as tnblackstallion suggests. We can all learn, adapt and grow.

See Squirtkings replied and is good. It can be any length of time you want and feel comfortable. Longer sessions such as 30 mins plus and yes you could go on for several hours as I have and remember on such long sessions remembering that repetition of limiting commands are still better than long winded and intricate but any length of time from even as little as 5 minutes is going to help and varying the length and starting with short lengths to gradually increasing the length of time.
And always remembering for long sessions that needing a tired or sedated spouse should she be taking night sedation. A average session of hypnosis when actually the client is under is generally 30 minutes but this is because altering states during daytime are more easily awakened because of noise light and the awareness and suspicions of clients is on the whole generally greater than the sleeping spouse.

I feel I need to say some extra things having read some of dwm and then mikewhitey reply. Look this LW is bigger than any of us and I'd really like it if any and all used this stuff and passed it onto others. I'll happily produce a further PDF of everything here including tnblackstallions misadventure because it gives people a balanced view of using the methods and if dwm wants to edit and use the information laid out in very long format then that is something entirely consistent and necessary for furthering LW. I really don't see myself as some cult like figure that needs to hang onto ideas and it's not like anyone is ever going to get the chance to charge anyone because this information is now 'out there'. I really do value all your input.

O.K. guys thanks for the input. I have an update on some progress as of yesterday.

One of the things my wife loves doing is riding bikes on 5 star trails in our area. So much so that we just bought 2 new (and rather expensive) bikes at the begining of the summer for this purpose, and have been on them quite a bit this year. Well about a week and a half ago, during one of my LW sessions, one of the things i tried was whispering, "you want to get black cock while we're on the bike trail" It was my attempt to possibly create a dream experience for her that may really turn her on. Well after a few days & no real results from that, I thought: "Well, that did'nt really have any effect" Then, yesterday, while we were riding bikes, she comments (very casually & out of the blue) that she has noticed that we generally see very few black men out either walking, or riding bikes on these trails as we do. The significance of this is simply that she would NEVER have thought of this on her own. It may not sound like much to some, but as has been stated in earlier posts, baby steps are what is required here and this is one. also as you said before hep, this is going to take awhile with my girl & I am willing to spend the time. I also found out from her, through the course of our conversation that she is somewhat intimidated by black men because of the stereotypical profile that they sometimes (Unfairly to be sure) recieve. I mentioned some black folks we know, (who are some of the finest people we have ever known) and told her that most black men are much like them and she agreed, but I know now that there is work to be done in that area. So as you can see I really do STILL have a ton of shit to wade through with her but I am pressing on.

Great progress Durfer. I agree that patience is the most important thing.

One of my challenges is to don't get in sleep. I am a busy man, work a lot etc. and I am most times too tired to whisper. Now I drink every evening enough cola or coffee so I am can't get in sleep :D

I agree its noticing those little things that to others just wouldnt sound like much but make our alarm bells ring like crazy and turn our heads "say what"! Baby steps have got me this far and whats interesting is overlaying one thing on top of the other new suggestions just make things progress that much quicker. Its like building a orchestra up to creshendo and those vibrations all mounting up and mingling together seem to be acting in unison.

I apologize Hep for drawing the focus away from LW I might be a little paranoid and agressive at heart coming from a city environemnt

I got nothing new to report at moment we re happy enjoying fantasy play and dildo and oral.I know I got to progress but damn im so enjoying this stage right now

Well I guess I got a little greedy & got busted friday night. Yep, she heard the whole half hour session, told me about it the next morning, (She had me dead to rights too! No denying it) & of course assured me she "does not love black cock" & "this aint gonna work on me!" (Did'nt have the heart to tell her it already HAS been working on her) I thought at the time that she did'nt seem to be sleeping as soundly as usual, but brushed it of (mistakenly to be sure) coupled with the fact that saturday was a very important day for her so she probably was'nt resting as normal (in anticipation of the days events) so this may be a consideration for you guys when deciding weather or not to have a LW session . Suprisingly, she wasnt mad or upset, although it does not come as a suprise to her as she already knows how much I would like this. She actually thought it rather amusing & laughed about it (no fighting or divorce court) & we went on to have an otherwise great weekend so I am just gonna have to lay low & keep a low profile for awhile. I will post more a little later once the smoke has cleared so to speak.

Same here.... last night I thought she was sleeping. As usual, I started with whispering: "I love you". God bless me I always start like that because she asked: did you say something?

This morning she asked me about it... my reaction was a little bit confusing so she said: never mind :) This week I have to stay a little bit low profile too... I'm sorry guys.

I am still whispering guys. She was moaning all night last night. Nothing I was doing, just deeep in sleep. She took a sleeping pill and man she was out. I was loud with my whispering as I knew nothing was bringing her back. Spend 3x 20 minute sessions over the course of the night.

You guys have been freaked. All I need is to get busted..............

See. This is what I'm saying. No matter HOW good you think you are at this, there is a chance that you'll get busted. So the question is what are the consequences of getting busted? Durfer's wife didn't freak out too much and threaten to divorce him. People say "wait until she gets drunk". Well some wives are too conservative to drink. I'm not trying to bust anybody's bubble. I'm just trying to save others a world of hurt. If you have a wife that's not into porn, but accepts the fact that you are that's one thing. If your wife is the kind to want to call in an exorcist on you after you try something like this that's something totally different.

The difference between you and me is that my wife isn't conservative. My wife knows my feelings and my fantasy. Because I started saying "I love you" for a few times, I try to figure out if she really sleeps. Most times it was, once it wasn't.

For me it is difficult to start again as I am unsure if she is asleep.

I agree with Squirtking: First, I dont claim to be "Good" at this, I am not even positivly sure It works. I know one thing though, & that is the reason It did'nt hurt me to get caught is because I have made no secret of my desire to see my wife taking BBC & have'nt kept it from her thus, she was'nt suprised (BTW Stallion, my wife did'nt freak out at all, she laughed about it. Now I realize not everyone here is gonna get that result so, your point is well taken.) Second, the sex we have had over the last 4 days has been extreemly intense & erotic. I dont know if LW had anything to do with that, but its a possibility. Third, the one thing I know about my wife is this: certain things have to be her idea, & many things we have done over the past 25 years are things she Initally said no to but, ultimatly agreed to, and was overjoyed with the results. A good example: I had wanted a motorhome since i was a kid. Her: No No No & HELL NO! Had every excuse in the world why we should'nt. 4 or 5 years this went on but I knew once I got her in one, she would love it! turns out I was right. (To hear her tell the story now, it was all her idea & I was just along for the ride) New car, new house, No, No, No, We cant afford it, Blah blah blah. same results. For her it is mostly Self confidence issues that again go back to her childhood. I believe this subject is no different. Once she finally tries it, She is gonna LOVE it. The key is going to be making it HER idea.

Getting the success I want and wife needs
 

Well I'm going to concentrate on the success Ive got so far which is fucking astounding and to making my wife think its her idea and her fantasy. My advice if your too weak then forget it put the fantasy away and dont bring it out just forget it and walk away, you werent ever going to succeed no way no how.
Since its working so well for me I got to wonder why its working for me and not some other guy and since I know its working for other people I got to wonder what makes the difference for them and not for you eccept Im way past caring so if you want a whine please take it some place else. I want to get back to hearing constructive posts and yes rekognizing theirs a danger is important which amazingly some of us did realise at the outset considering its pointed at all the way through the thread and through Heps pdf! and dealing with that danger is something ive been doing since first starting using this LW method.
I never do this stuff unless I know shes tired and been busy during the day and if shes been drinking alcohol is a plus, if shes had a late up night, if ive satisfied her with the nice big black dildo and made her cum. IF IN DOUBT I dont do it or just whisper sweet nothings of I love you etc and then give it a rest and go to sleep. Looking at Heps suggestions shows these are the things to do as well as if they use sleeping tablets as well. I aint going to get drawn into any more whining because its been pointed out good and proper from the outset. If you dont have the smarts or the balls to take the flack then please dont consider this a option for you. You really can swap to another thread without any further hassle you can put it all clear out of your mind.
My wifes has been a very uptight conservative up until I started introducing this Shes every bit a conservative as they get and Im changing her and shes thinking its her idea. Its the difference thats making the difference.

Completely agree with Mikey. This shit works!!!

I don't whisper unless I know she is in a deep deep sleep. The rhythm has to be consistent. No chances of getting busted!!

She seems to go into a deeper breathing pattern when I whisper now. Thats no bullshit. Not sure why but she goes deeper.

She seems to be responding to the whispering. She does not drink wine but had 2 evenings this week with wine? Coincidence? Sorry guys, but she is f**ing hot on alcohol. Split personality. She suggested trying some new wines last night?

I am suggesting consistent themes and building on them. Too soon to see if it gets into her subconcsious but I am convinced there is something to this effort. Typically 20 minute sessions a few times a night a few times a week.

If all goes well, she will be sucking my cock full time and taking some bigger cock shortly.

Everybody can make mistakes. So I don't see any problems over there. Maybe tonight I will start again as I am sure she has a busy day at work today.

Hey jacko1 I recognze that deeper and heavier breathing sometimes when I do my LW on her! Not always but fair frequently

I agree squirtking and everyone does make mistakes and learning from them like you and durfer have makes the difference rather than dwelling on a mistake and then trying to bring us all down to another persons level of insecurity because I dont have time for that negative bull shit.

Thanks. We're on the same level in LW.

Hey Guys,

It's been a while since I posted but this is a busy time of the year for me. It would seem that I have ruffled some feathers with some of my posts so let me address that first. I have extended my thanks for these procedures before but let me do that again just to verify to some and to satisfy others. Thanks a bunch for this stuff Hep. It works!
I am a little confused though on why I was attacked and accused of hijacking the idea and claiming it or something like that. Let me assure you I have not and would never do such a thing. I am just glad to have found it.

Any posts that I have made has been to offer any help that I could to the others that are putting this info to use for themselves and their girls. They have consisted of my own personal accomplishments along with my opinions on it but they all came from Heps original ideas and his work, not mine. Again thanks so much for sharing these ideas with us.

I can most certainly see tnblackstallions point on being very careful with this and I sure hated to hear about the misfortune that he has endured. I will post again soon as I can on my progress but must run for now.

Clearing the air
 

Hi dwm_Wants2Obey,

Your contributions are more than welcome and are looked for and forward too because I find those condensations of that old PDF'ed thread very much more useful than what was elongated there and here. I hope I've made it clear enough to folks that this set of methods is bigger than me and so having to continually thank me will only delay taking up and working with the important knowledge of LW detracting from what it should be about. I sincerely believe that this method opens the door on creating the necessary changes to wives, girlfriends and relationships that are or have become stuck.

Listen, I want you guys to take it on change it re-edit it and publicise the LW method everywhere. Yes this takes it out of my hands BUT I'd rather that than this getting lost and forgotten. As you can begin thinking it also frees me up to finding out new things and making things work better and I spend a lot of time thinking reforming and learning - so don't knock a guy for helping. So please do take this forward as you wish.

Drawing again on the metaphor of knots, now LW begins and progresses the unknotting affecting to untieing the natural slut for us to enjoy. I've seen it, heard it experienced transformations from repressed to sexually liberated uninhibited talent (SLUT) all over the world guys have put this to working pratical use.

I lifted the following off a club advert which reminds me of a passage from 'the ethical slut' but appears to be incorporating the title of another book and some aspects of that content called 'Insatiable Wives' which I haven't yet read in full. QUOTE:

"Sexually Liberated Uninhibited Temptress

An Insatiable 'slut' is a woman who openly embraces her sexuality. We use the word as a term of endearment and respect.

We respect the honesty of women who accept and celebrate that aspect of themselves. We also respect and admire the men who truly recognise the value in having a partner who is a slut. They have the balls to understand and support these qualities in their woman. These men are secure enough in their own sexuality and in their relationship to experience the extra levels of eroticism they can enjoy by being willing to indulge their woman's needs and desires.

In everyday society the word 'slut' has negative and derogatory connotations. A slut enjoys sex with lots of partners and whether she is single or in a supportive relationship, this is still seen as a bad thing. Changing societies perceptions of sexuality is a long, hard road and that's not what we're trying to do here. We're 'preaching to the converted'.

At Insatiable the word is positive and complimentary. The women it's applied to revel in their sexuality and delight in being appreciated for who they are and that they don't have to hide it. They love being sluts in their own right and for their men." END QUOTE

Amen and this is where we're inching our Wives to - Now if we can get back to the subject in hand because thats what it's all about.

Thanks
 

Thanks for introducing LW and for the info and explanation of the concepts. Thank you also to those who have given us detailed info on their experiences and successes. I have used this only twice, primarily because I go to work before my wife goes to bed. Now that I am working days, I will continue using it frequently and look forward to great results.

Diving In
 

I feel that I should interject something here that "we" all might be over looking.
First, let me fill you in on my experiences. I seem to be in the same boat with how far I'm getting.
I read the old NW blog and Hep's advice a couple of years ago.
We had been to a party and there was a good looking black guy there. I noticed how she acted and sort of back off and observed when see had the chance to speak to him. The body language was unmistakable.
We got pretty lit and she was zonked in bed right after we got home.

I thought I'd give what we're now calling LW a whirl. When I got close to her she reached for my cock as if we were going to fool around but she fell asleep with my cock in her hand. Okay, i thought, Ill just wait untill she falls asleep more. 15 minutes went by and her breathing was heavy and almost snoring (not typical). Her hand had slipped off my cock but was still down there.
My heart was racing (how loud should I be? What the hell am I going to say? What if she wakes up??)
So I started - "What a cute black guy. So cute. Cute black guy. mmmmm, what a nice big black cock." Her hand went for my dick. My brain was zinging. "Big black cock. So big mmmmm. I want to stroke it mmmm". I'm getting a short stroke, light touch, slow mo thing happening. My heart is going to bust! Her head is on my shoulder and she thinks she's strokin' a black cock!
I kept it up for maybe 10 minutes. I was talking a little hotter and she "woke" with a startle. I kissed her and told her not to stop while I grabbed her hand to keep it on my cock. She layed there for a few seconds.
Now, after reading what has transpired in the forum and some digging on my own, I figure that she really wasn't awake after all.
My kissing her and grabbing probably woke her. Now, I think she was gathering up her thoughts.
Needless to say I got one of the sloppiest and hottest blow jobs I've had in ages.


So it's been a couple of years. I got a big black dildo and she enjoys that if I'm not pushy. I have gotten some interracial movies. They make her hot and wet but the unprofessional professionalism turns her off. I've collected up some amature vids but the time it takes to edit/make them unnoticed makes it tough.

After following you guys I thought I'd give it a try again.

First off, Thank you Hep and every one here for the inspiration.

Last week i started again.
Waiting for the breathing etc. This time I was going to be a little hotter.
We had sex and played with the dildo just before she fell asleep. I had acknowledged "him" as a friend during our lovemaking.
"mmmm Big black friend - beautiful body what a big black cock. You love big black cock. mmmmm . pause... What a nice butt you just want to squeeze that butt. mmmm. Suck on that big black cock while you squeeze that butt. mmmm" Her legs moved and she turned to lay on her stomach. "mmm climb on top and make him cum. mmmm. Climb on top. mmmm Make him cum mmmmm. (she loves being on top) Her breathing got more heavy and rapid.
I figured I'd leave it at that but the heavy breathing went on for a few minutes.
Hep had said to suggest something that she wouldn't do necessarily...
"Lick his balls - those silky balls mmmm. Lick his balls then kiss me with a big sloppy wet kiss mmmm. Her breathing got faster an she "woke" and turned over again. I let it ride and called it a night.
She told me the next morning that she had a weird dream and woke with her heart racing.
I said the she rolled over and hugged me. Kind of a half smile then perplexed look on her face.:)


The reason why I'm posting is because of this morning. I presented our friend and while I was pumping her I put his balls near her face. She reached for them with her tongue! I let her suck on his balls for awhile and then she slobbered a big one on me in a hotter fashion than I'm used to. Needless to say that was the end for me. I couldn't hold back anymore.:D

It's working. No doubt, It's working.

Something we seem to be overlooking in these posts.
This process is really a cog in the wheel of multiple approaches to an end.
One of the things that have to be addressed are the insecurities that married women face when confronted with this option. That she may feel sub-consciously, this is being "pushed' on her..

"Does that mean he's looking for an excuse to cheat on me" etc etc. Other forums have covered this.

Maye LW could be used to alleviate those natural fears.
You could then reinforce those comforts in the waking moments when the time is right.
I see first hand the power of suggestion the LW can have.
Shouldn't it be used as a constructive adjunct to the relationship?



Sorry for the long windedness. I felt I had a lot of catching up to do.:)

Thanks for your post :) If I understand you correct, LW be more intense received at our girls if we have sex before sleeping?

Great post fingerlaker. This thread seems to drift and then get back on track, so appreciate your comments.

I agree with everything you said and your experiences with the heavy breathing and tossing seems to track with my experience and comments on the thread. Strangely, some nights she is a breathing machine and seems to respond and other nights very light sleeper and I just don't seem to feel I am making headway.

So, I went out to the web and looked up hypnosis techniques. There is alot of crap out there and much of it for sale. However, there is some good stuff on Hubbard, as in DL Hubbard and a few others about hypnosis while sleeping. It seems to be a serious and quick way to the subconscious. Interestingly, what we are doing is almost there but seems to lack some additional steps. Okay, so we are all doing pretty close to the same thing but the "experts on several sites consistently say this. Taken from the website.

On entering the room where your sleeping subject is, you will need to establish a rapport with them. You can do this by sitting quietly by their bedside and watching their breathing. By matching your own breathing to that of your subject for a few minutes they will become receptive to you on an unconscious level.

Gradually, change your own breathing by deliberately slowing it down - your subject should soon follow suit - don't worry if it doesn't happen instantly - they will eventually follow.

The next stage is to gently stroke one of your subject's fingers - keeping this in time with your breathing. Avoid any abrupt movements as this will disturb your subject - after a few minutes you can commence by saying (softly) the person's name, followed by:
This is your mother/father (or whatever your relationship to the subject is) here - you can hear me - but you won't wake up - you can hear me but you won't wake up.
Repeat this sentence several times. Your subject may move but even if they verbally respond at this stage it is unlikely that they are awake.

Follow this through with:
When the very deepest part of your mind is listening to me - you can let me know by moving this (index or whichever) finger - and you can still hear me - but you won't wake up.
Again, you may need to do this several times. Milton Erickson used this method with his son after he was involved in a road crash and I believe it took him several nights to achieve bringing him out of sleep and into hypnosis so do persevere.

When you get the response you're looking for, you can continue with suggestions such as:
You can talk, but you won't wake up. The very deepest part of your mind knows what your problem is and can help us to find the solution.

Or - you can give direct suggestions for whatever you're trying to achieve.

Hope this helps guys. Just adding to Heps comments and would welcome his input on the above.

Did you already try that?