HELL NO!!! You guys keep getting busted and I am just a breathe away from it.

I will though, just not yet. She needs to be in a serious deep sleep.

You have to admit, hypnosis opens up many possibilities.

It certainlly seems so. Maybe the mind is more open to that kind of talk.

There are a whole lot of things to think about with hypnosis.
Where ever you take that person, you must bring them back.

Be careful what you say does not get taken literally. - Don't use cliches. _ "When you see your Black friends crotch it will make you so hot" - And then she'll have uncomfortable hot flashes when she see looks at his crotch:eek:

Simple language etc.

I've got some guidelines somewhere. I'll dig them up.

Guys,

Went thru my whispering last night. Tried out a little hypnosis technique and she began to awake but then fell back to sleep. Whats strange is when I begin going thru my suggestions, she begins breathing like a freight train, literally. Heavy breathing, panting etc. Shes as quiet as can be before I begin but a freight train during?

What gives?

Okay, and you used a triggerword. Did you find out what happens if you use that word in a general conversation?

I am gonna restart LW this night.

No, I am working up to trigger words. I want to continue with the whispering and hypnosis. However, I cannot see shit at night, so if shes moving a finger to acknowledge my suggestions, I don't see it. The hypnosis technique suggests repetition and that the subject becomes more receptive to the ideas, your suggestions.

I am trying to get her to speak or blurt something during my hypnosis, since I cannot see shit. Once I get that, I will begin trigger words and a world of possibilities opens up.

I'm wondering too.
I get the same reaction. I told her while she was panting that BBC was ok and it would be good for our marriage. She stopped the heavy breathing and rolled over with her back to me. Am I reading too much into this?
Could it be a negative reaction because she hasn't been "eased" into the situation. Or is she just HOT?

@Jacko1

Did you sit near her or did you lay near her? And how long after she started sleeping did you start?

I wake up at all hours of the night. Typically, its in the middle of the night that I get the best reaction, 2-4 am. She is well into her sleep and has a steady breathing pattern. I have done it at 5 am as well but the breathing during whisper time is not as deep.

I am usually laying next to her and will begin with breathing to match her breathing. I do that for about 3-5 minutes followed by calling her by name and saying nice things for another minute. I then break into " you hear me but will stay asleep" "You want to speak but will remain asleep" consistent with the hypnosis techniques. I am literally asking her to speak or move a finger or foot etc. I cannot see a damn thing, as its dark and I am blind. This seems to be working. The other night she was trying to force words before she went into a full blown breathing freight train. I will continue this pattern and its my hope that the pattern will lead to a far deeper hypnotic trance. I am patient and have nothing but time to let this work. The fact that her breathing pattern changes and she attempted to force words, tells me something is at work at a subconscious level.

Let me know how you guys work your magic.

Last night I got push back - literally. She put her hand on my chest and pushed slightly and said "Stop that". It's a phrase that see uses during forplay. The tone was the same, but I've never had the push before.
The more I do this the more that I think the hyptnosis route is the way to go.

I just have to put together the right script. I want to do it right the first time.

LW is working. She hornier etc. But I'm not getting any open expression of her wants.
I did some digging nad the reactions we get - rolling over, "waking" , maybe the heavy breathing could be an abreaction:

abreaction [ˌæbrɪˈækʃən]
n
(Psychoanalysis) the release and expression of emotional tension associated with repressed ideas by bringing those ideas into consciousness.

It's that emotional tension that has to be addressed.
Again, maybe setting her mind at ease about the fact that it would strenghen the relationship etc.

The Hyno thing must be right though. I don't want to plant some kind of Phycosis that I'll have to live with.
Kinda like swearing at a parrott:)

Pasted from various sources:


[B]Stages of Hypnotherapy[/B

]Preparation
In the first session, the client and the hypnotherapist determine an achievable goal and establish a rapport. The first session has a thorough preparation and each session thereafter includes an evaluation of the problem and the desired outcome.
During the preparation, the hypnotherapist assesses the client's receptivity, suggestibility, and the possibility of achieving the desired outcome. The hypnotherapist must screen the client for factors that might make the client ineligible for hypnotherapy. Here are some questions the hypnotherapist may ask the client:
· Why did you seek a hypnotherapist at this time?
· What do you hope to accomplish?
· Is your condition medical or psychological? Has a physician or psychotherapist been consulted?
· What other treatments have you had for the condition?
At this time, the hypnotherapist assesses the client's capacity to receive and act on posthypnotic suggestions. The hypnotherapist must understand what words, imagery, and symbols affect the client. It is important for the client to understand his or her own suggestibility, so that he or she can participate effectively with the hypnotherapist.
During the preparation, the hypnotherapist corrects any misconceptions or unrealistic expectations the client may have about hypnosis and clearly communicates what hypnosis can and cannot do. Once the hypnotherapist is satisfied that the client is ready for hypnosis, he or she reviews the stages of hypnosis and begins the induction.

Induction
During induction, the hypnotherapist guides the client to narrowly focus his or her attention to the point that sensory impressions are blocked out. The client can then reach the state of complete relaxation necessary for hypnosis to occur. The hypnotherapist's office usually is quiet and dimly lit to create a relaxing atmosphere. The hypnotherapist chooses a particular method or combination of methods for induction based on the assessment of the client. An induction script may use different types of verbal and visual cues, including the following:
· Use of authority—The hypnotherapist gives instructions in simple declarative sentences (e.g., "As I speak, you will relax.").
· Guided visualization or imagery—The hypnotherapist suggests images or describes a scene for the patient (e.g., "Let your mind drift to a calm and peaceful place. See the wind blowing through the trees, the flowers in the meadow.").
· Quiet music or rhythm—The hypnotherapist speaks in a steady, evenly paced rhythm without varying voice tone. Sometimes the therapist plays music in the background.
· Repetition of words or sounds—The therapist repeats key words or sounds (e.g., "Breathe in deeply . . . ", "As you breathe in . . . ").
· Emotional cues or probes—A hypnotherapy session may be used to gather more information about painful experiences or to help patients cope with difficult emotions. The therapist integrates the inquiries or instructions into the induction script (e.g., "You are in control and will choose to experience or ignore any suggestions during the session.").
· Analogies, metaphors, and associative statements—The hypnotherapist uses comparisons to familiar experiences or images to help clients achieve physical relaxation (e.g., "Your legs are sinking into the couch, heavy as logs." "Feel your body, heavy and relaxed, being supported by the tree behind you, the ground beneath you.").

Clients do not always readily accept suggestions. The hypnotherapist is alert to any sign of negative reactions or abreactions that may occur during the induction. The hypnotherapist guides the client through these feelings or, if necessary, rewords the suggestion during a later session. An abreaction can present itself as a yawn, a frown, a scratch, or movement in the hand or foot.
On occasion, clients might feel somewhat disoriented, or in rare instances, nauseous. Stopping the induction can usually relieve these effects, or they may disappear as the hypnotic state deepens. After the induction, some people report feeling different physical sensations (e.g. tingly, heavy, floating); others feel nothing unusual at all.

Deepening
Next, the hypnotherapist uses deepening techniques to enhance the hypnotic stage. These can include simply continuing the chosen induction, changing to another type, or talking directly to the client.
There are three levels of hypnotic states:
· Hypnoidal—a light stage of hypnosis, characterized by fluttering eye movements
· Cataleptic—a deeper state, characterized by side-to-side eye movements
· Somnambulistic—the deepest state, characterized by the eyes rolling up
The somnambulistic level has three levels. The first two involve a kind of amnesia, that is, the client receives posthypnotic suggestions on a subconscious level and may not remember hearing them. The third level of somnambulism is so deep that a person in this state can undergo major surgery without anesthesia.
For sessions focused on self-improvement or changing unwanted habits, the hypnoidal and cataleptic states are adequate; however, better results can be achieved if the client enters into the cataleptic state.
Before moving on to the utilization stage, the hypnotherapist must be sure that the client is in a hypnotic state and ready to receive posthypnotic suggestions. There are several observable indicators of the hypnotic state:
· Lack of body movement, stillness
· Pallid, waxen complexion
· Rapid eye movements, eyelid fluttering
· Redness around the eyes
· Relaxed posture, slumping
· Slowed breathing
· Swallowing, gulping
· Water or tears in the eyes
Utilization
A posthypnotic suggestion is made during the utilization stage. The posthypnotic suggestion is a verbalized statement of the desired outcome. If taken in and acted upon, the suggestion affects behavior after the client has emerged from hypnosis and returned to regular daily activities. The posthypnotic suggestion is the key to achieving the client's goal.

As long as they are clear and specific in describing the goal, posthypnotic suggestions can be visual or auditory. Only positive suggestions based on the client's suggestibility effectively change behavior. For example, the hypnotherapist might suggest that when a client finds him- or herself in a usually stressful situation, they will not desire a cigarette.

An abreaction, such as a frown or shift in posture, may occur when the suggestion is made. Repeating the suggestion, rewording it, or choosing a different type of suggestion may help the client become more receptive.
By repeating the suggestion to the client in each session, a new conditioned response may be achieved. The repeated chosen key words in the suggestion become associated with the desired outcome. If the client successfully receives the suggestion, he or she begins to formulate internal processes (emotions, visualizations, or dialogues), which help achieve the desired outcome.

After the posthypnotic suggestion has been introduced and developed, the hypnotherapist leads the client into the termination stage.
Termination
Termination is the slow, gradual return to consciousness. Just prior to ending the hypnotic state, the hypnotherapist often repeats that the client is in control of his or her body and mind, and has been in control throughout the session. Several termination techniques may be used; the best known is counting backwards followed by the authoritative command "Wake up." The client opens their eyes and adjusts to the relaxed but aware state that follows hypnosis.

Termination Stage
 

So how is the Termination stage supposed to work when we're doing LW on our wives when they're asleep? We don't want them to wake up, but then again we don't want them to stay in a unended deep sleep?

Also, can you use a trigger to initiate deep sleep? (i.e. "When I say the word ----, you will slip deeper into sleep and will not wake up.")

Good Questions
 

For the first question: We don't want to confuse LW with Hypnosis.

The idea might be to induce Hypnosis from LW.
In Preparation there is a trust built up. Hopefully you already have it hence the LW.

I think you could get her to the restful sleep stage and say "This is restful sleep, and we'll come back here." Explain how beneficial restful sleep is etc.

I have a sleep mp3 coming. She'll listen to that because I've talked to her best friend about her need to sleep better and maybe she should try this sleep mp3. She told her to give it a try.
I'll listen to the sleep mp3 and see where it leaves her.
After she's listened to it a few times and she's had positive results, I'll do a deepening from there - walking down steps to a beach. Deepening as you go.
Nobody around for miles. Hear the waves (My background sounds playing) A beautiful cabana with shear sides that you can see out. A Massage table. Sinking in - relaxed etc. A Black masseuse. - feel his big black hands as he rubs in the lotion that melts away all that muscle tension etc. Keep the imagery up. Escalate from there with permission. Not too graphic. Kinda soft-core. Imagery and texture with suggestions and permissions.

ie: "And as you're listening to the waves lap the beach and Malcolm is rubbing his big black hands on your thighs, a sensuous warmth overcomes you. So sensuous. So nice, So Sexy.
You cant help but notice his big black cock hanging down from his shorts. And as he's rubbing your thighs and the wave of sexiness runs through your body you really want to hold Malcolm's big black cock. Would you like to hold it?" Hopefully get a nod. " mmmm So nice............etc etc"

Then take her back up the steps and in the bed where the sleep mp3 left her, repeating whatever the sleep mp3 says. " And when you awake in the morning etc etc"


On the second question:
Geeze. Makes sense. It would seem that she would have to have been in that state a few times in order to reference it like that. The whole process of deepening only takes like 2 minutes anyway. I wouldn't see the need to rush.

Any input on these ideas would be great. I'm just a neophyte and like I said before, I'd like to do it the first time.

Stop
 

Its NOT it has NOTHING to do with the LW method.

Wow guys I step away from the thread for a few weeks and suddenly people are starting taking some giant wrong turns.

There's nothing wrong with anyone exploring hypnosis and as with fingerlaker I actively suggested him looking deeper into it for understanding the background context and for drawing extra knowledge into using conversational hypnosis during the day BUT you can't take hypnosis methods in the very varied methods of hypnosis and apply them all whole sale to LW. That's going to start making you head in directions that aren't just unnecessary but are going to cripple your LW sessions.

The point of LW is that it entirely bypasses the need for putting someone in trance - the heightened state of sleep is there and the persons unconscious will flow off the back of hearing your voice and suggestions.

In following LW I can suggest the idea of KIS 'keep it simple'.

In looking into conversational hypnosis for day-time suggestion I'd suggest Milton Erickson, NLP -BUT these aren't necessary for doing LW

Please don't bog yourselves down with applying hypnosis methods to LW YOU DONT NEED IT - THE STATE IS ALREADY THERE AND SHE IS ALREADY OPEN TO SUGGESTION IN THIS SLEEP STATE.

Also no one stays in a perpetual sleep either in hypnosis or from going to sleep at night unless someones hit them over the head with something hard and heavy!
Termination as described has nothing to do with LW method as the person will either continue their sleep or wake because they heard something.

I have described numerously the idea of beginning the LW with firstly "I love you over and over and followed with you I going deeper and deeper down all the way down deep and comfortable and relaxed just listening to the sound of my voice taking you deeper and deeper all the way down deep and comfortable and relaxed deeper and deeper............. just listening to the sound of my voice and obeying what I say" (and as people have seen and are using and changing looking at Jackos' posts' are noticing very significant changes in breathing during these initialisations and continuations of suggestions/commands)

Look guys build off these basics repeating and expanding the requests and gradually changing the agenda as you go. Start with simple requests like getting her to use black dildo to getting her to looking and responding to black guys around food stores etc to making her feeling aroused when she sees a big black guy making her transfixed by his package - seeking out his package and making her clit becoming erect her nipples erect making her feeling very wet and very aroused as she begins thinking about his big black manhood in side her - fucking her, using her, cumming deep in her making her cum again and again on the end of his big black cock.

This LW suggestion isn't as intense as hypnosis in general BUT it is that slow building of desires in LW that's going to get you from A to B in a way that would just be WAY TOO risky trying to attempt using awakened state to hypnotic state methods during the day.

Please please stop bringing hypnosis whole sale into LW its going to get very confusing for a lot of people really quickly and hey that's a desired effect of conversational hypnosis in awakened conscious states BUT NOT FOR LW. I am directly referring to taking hypnosis copy and pastes and leaving things like 'termination' left in which has no earthly value in LW and WILL ONLY CONFUSE as noted above. LW and the thread is too valuable to start creating confusion so please pull back from dumping copy and pastes of hypnosis information.

Sticking to what you use as scripts is really good because others can help you and or refine their own ideas around them. BUT don't be so tied by a script that you think you have to only say certain words because your going to trip yourself up in delivery and not be paying attention enough to her changes in breathing and possible wakefulness.
Using consistantly wrong words like she will become 'hot' would be a issue if you keep saying it but if you trip yourself up on one occasion or more by accidentally saying it will do no long term harm in LW because the intensity of hypnosis is not there LW is very gentle in comparison and so mistakes are easily recovered and changed without long term consequences. IN HYPNOSIS this is a issue of making sure your delivery is perfect first time in LW you really CAN afford to fuck up and get back on the next passage next night or next week.

I'll keep coming back to the thread as and when I can BUT I got a heap of life on my plate right now.

Keep at it guys now your efforts have incremental rewards for you and her enjoy.

Thanks for clarifying Hep,

My head was starting to spin, trying to figure out how I was going to squeeze in all of the specifics and still get sleep myself! Felt like I was back in school trying to cram for a test. I like the KIS theory, seems to work in almost every situation.

Glad to see this thread hasn't died, as I can see some serious benefits of everything you've outlined. Just need to come up with a primary script and test it for several LW sessions to see if I'm doing it right. I started getting worried about screwing up her head if I did all of the serious hypnosis stuff wrong. Thanks again...

hey
 

Good thoughts Hep. Thought youd hightailed out of here so nice to see you still around.

I got to say im getting startling results with raising her interest levels and fantasy fun but i wonder if im enjoying this stage so much im not wanting to take it any further right now? I dont knwo wether i should be pushing harder and more aggressive to getting her to seeing black men but i am really enjoying all the fantasy play dildo and ir fantasy and her fantasy domination by black men that i think i have stuck myself down to just this and dont want to move forward

Only you can know
 

Mike you don't have to have me telling you that it's all up to you to know how quickly you advance and whether you decide to advance at all. Your enjoying this stage and that's great.
The PDF outlines the pendulum method for asking your and other people questions of your/their unconscious -if your finding confusion over what you really think deep down about where you want to head using the PDF section on the pendulum will give you a great grasp of what's going on deep down.

have read thru and found the techniques and progress from others very encouraging. as stallion alluded to about using this to get his woman to try another girl, i too have the same intention in mind. my lady is a heavy sleeper so i thing i should get some good results with this. as heph stated a few post above, keep it simple. i started last night with whispering to her that anytime i touch her left breast she would be desiring to give me a blowjob... i will test this out over the next few nights and see what i come up with and report back my findings....

First time...close call
 

My wife is very sexy, but very inhibited when it comes to sex. She grew up in a small TX town in a very dysfunctional family. She used to think masturbation was dirty and wrong and would not do it no matter how much I told her it turned me on.

It wasn't until she was going to counseling for anxiety issues that she finally started open up a little. Her counselor actually told her that she should masturbate to relieve some of her stress and anxiety. When she told me what the counselor said, it was like she had been told to sell her children. She's gotten better over the last 10 years and will even use a vibe at times, but she's still hesitant to touch herself in front of me.

I started reading this thread and decided that this could help her come out of her "shell" and enjoy her lovely body as much as I do...and let me watch. This is my first attempt with LW from a few nights ago:

I tried whispering to my wife while she slept a couple of nights ago. She'd had a drink before bed and was snoring lightly, so I thought it would be the perfect time.
I whispered "I love you" to her several times to see if her breathing would change. Her snoring would get quieter for a few seconds, then return to her previous pattern. I then told her "I love to see you touch yourself" between "I love you's". I would wait a minute or two to listen to her breathing pattern, then I told her "I love to see you rubbing your pussy"... still snoring lightly. I give another "I love you" followed by an "I love to see you touch yourself", and she suddenly wakes up and asks me "Did you say something?"

My heart skipped a beat, but I kept my cool and told her
Me: " I said I love you."

Her: "I though you said something about 'answer you cell phone'"

Me: "You were snoring, and I didn't want to wake you, but you stopped when I said 'I love you'"

Her: "I could have sworn you said something else... You sure you weren't saying something to me earlier?"

Me: "You stopped snoring for a while when I told you I loved you, so I'd say that when you started again"

She laid down and went back to sleep. She asked me again when I got home from work if I was saying something else before and I told her she must have been dreaming and heard me telling her that I love her.

She let it go, but she WAS hornier than hell that night and wouldn't quit until I came twice, then wanted me to use her vibe on her til she came again!!! I love these results, but not sure if I want to chance getting caught again. We went out to dinner last night and she brought it up again, saying that she could have sworn she heard me saying something else to her. I'm positive she will be highly pissed if she consciously hears some of the things I was planning for future LW sessions. Maybe I'll let things calm down for a couple of weeks and try again... We'll see.

Take it real slow and start small
 

Hi Antk89,

Leave any suggestion alone for a few weeks and when you do start just act asleep and make sure your wifes breathing is relaxed then start with even just some gibberish - indistinct wording - test this to see if she comes out of sleep. Then either that night or following nights just do some "I love you so deeply" type talk. I think a real slow gradual building on the simplest and safest stuff to acclimatize her to hearing your voice at night - if you get caught like that then you can say "I must have been talking in my sleep" make a joke of it laugh it off and reapply the same course again so that she becomes used to expecting to hear you at night.

Either that or leave the method alone if you think its too dangerous.

Good luck on what you decide.

My wife
 

.. has dreams after I talk for a while and i hear her orgasming. Mmmmmmm.

I am gonna restart the LW again. I will wait longer when she is in sleep.

Hi
 

Thats a very powerful response whitecuckmn!

Hows it going?

A little push helps
 

I had actually told my wife that I wanted to watch her have sex with a black man 5 months ago. Her ultimate flaw to that ever happening was that we didn't have anyone that she could fuck even if she did want to. I countinued the whispering off & on since telling her how much I wanted to watch a big black cock sliding into her pussy making her moan. How good she would feel to have a black cock shooting deep inside her pussy. Then a month and a half ago I got in contact with a local black guy on aff. I told him how much she was turned on watching black men and white wives. He wanted to meet us however I wanted her to meet him on her own. I set a place and time where I would leave her in the car so he could meet her. It went well although she said it was strange I could tell she was arroused, and she had exchange names and where she worked. I tried to get a second chance meeting without sucsess. After 2 weeks I asked her if he had come by her work trying to see how she was feeling. She didn't think so , however she is only in tha office on mondays, but no one there would tell her if he had, she seemed disappointed. She then said she was going to drive our camaro to work on Monday if that was ok, which is what she was in when met Tom. I texted Tom and told him she really wanted to see him again and that he should go by her work Monday. When it became obvious on Monday he wasn't going he wanted to try another away, I told him to at least stop in the parking lot and leave a note on the car with his phone number. When my wife got the note she couldn't wait to tell me but was concerned about what he wanted and why I wanted her to screw around. Once she was sure it was ok with me she texted Tom and once she found out he wanted adult fun she wanted to meet him again. Just to make sure they really wanted each other.

Months into it
 

Guys,

Its been some time since I posted. Continue with the whispering. Almost nightly now. She is responding very well and literally moans every night while asleep. Its my cue to wake up and begin more whispering. She is far more aggressive sexually and sex has become more comman. She will speak some times while asleep, as in "you want a BBC" and she says NO. Some nights she is moaning after I say it, some nights a loud garbled NO. I am convinced this stuff works but requires patience and time.

We went to dinner with a interracial couple and last week she said, would you ever want me to sleep with him. Where the f*c* did that come from? One word, whispering.

Its only a matter of time. Keep you posted.

wife's fantasy to have sex with black
 

Wife has plans to meet black Guy Thursday and bring him home. Her fantasy is to have sex with a black Guy. She has had fantasy about six months right when I started whispering. Can't work any better than this

D/s perspective
 

Generally speaking, if there is a behavior/attitude I want from my wife I do 3 things:

1. I tell her, directly, what I want
2. I introduce it into her regular hypnosis session
3. I use basic behavior modification to reinforce what I want

To me, this has some advantages. I am not manipulating her since as part of her submission to me she has consented to my making changes in her and, I don't have to work as hard or wait as long to see the changes I want.

What is the difference between point 2 and LW?

Hypnosis vs LW
 

The differences are:

1. I usually allow her to remember the content of her hypnosis sessions
2. She knows, broadly speaking, what we will be addressing during a session (unless it is an erotic hypno play session)
3. I don't have miss sleep, lol

Biggest difference
 

I neglected to include the biggest difference between my wife/sub's regular hynosis sessions and LW. The hypno sessions are non-manipulative.

been a while
 

Wife is coming on leaps and bounds with LW. Really good results and very happy sex life now.
Stealthy 3 posts into just joining site welcome perhaps you can start your own thread about how you do your hypnosis?

But if you think im dropping the LW because your telling me its manipulative I think may be youve got a few misconceived ideas. As far as I can tell LW isnt anything like hypnosis and LW offers a gentle nudge into a womans natural desires.

Hep where are you?

Clarification
 

Just a couple of points to hopefully clarify things:

1. It was not my intent to hijack this thread. I find it fascinating and was merely commenting on what I do to bring about a desired change.
2. I was asked about the differences between what I do with my wife and LW. I answered that question, albeit in two seperate posts.
3. I have no interest in trying to change or alter the behavior of anyone here. I reserve that for my wife.

Around
 

Hi Mike,

I'm around......... hopefully folks are picking up the LW and using their desires and transforming them into those 'fantasy adverts'.

Of course the unconscious picks up and uses the things that it needs and leaves behind what isn't ecologically consistent.

At natures heart there is the 'slut' desire - society sadly has attempted to throw a straight jacket over that natural desire leading to so many issues we can see in our personal lives, doesn't it not.

If only we were all blessed with untethered natural sluts.

Take Care of you and your loved ones - a happy fulfilled marriage is all our goals / touchdowns

Sorry Snuggums must have got side tracked - this is great news!! Hope everything is working out for you:)

LW means love whisper

Best explained by reading the PDF x and the thread - the method and technique is all right here.
Now hoping you can find the time and yes we do mean time as this isn't not a short cut that isn't not worth taking that time to exploring. Offering possibly the simplest straight style for achieving what people are finding as their beginnng looking back something so worthwhile x , so unique that having begun achieving these startling changes for wives are giving the kind of satisfied sighs and pride that are the change that're making the changes.
The great thing about LW x that people find is they can make it exactly fit their own needs and using their own thoughts to tailor make things just fit so right - and with added help x here when people need helping applying additions of others creative thoughts.



http://www.4shared.com/document/FC0v..._Whispers.html

Break through
 

Wife is now telling me she wants the real thing:cool::D

Ive worked real hard on laying the LW on her at night and have been doing so much fantasy sex play with her and black dildo that its reached her right to fever pitch.
In many ways I was happy to leave it at this but she seems to now genuinely want more and not just to satisfy my sex desires for her.

Wife still hasn't had sex with another man she has posted an ad on AFF. She has chatted with a few guys 2 of which she had a play date set who backed out. We are to meet 2 more black guys this Friday and Saturday they sound like they are more interested in sex then talking about it. She is nervous but wants to get the first time out of the way :)

Great News
 

Mike, Snuggums this is great and heart warming news from you both - hoping you both get everything you want and they need !)

Keep us all informed

Thanks Hep, i cant believe ive got to this point. Really nervous but got to say that I wouldnt have got here without you and your loving whispers way.
I had no idea how to approach this before I started doing LW and now it just opened up everything else, watching irporn using black dildo getting her to humiliate my cock size and verbalise her telling me she wants big black cocked men in her and finally to her suggesting to me that shed really like to step into polygamy in our new kind of marriage for enjoying black men.